Robert Cline wrote: Scott Williams, a BCU instructor and expert paddler demonstrated to me using the paddle without a paddlefloat held by hand in the outrigger position climbing back into the cockpit. It can be done. I would venture to say he could do this in the surf. I can't do it even in flat water... and I can't stand up in my cockpit either. But, it can be done. Robert, I'm guessing your point relating to the paddle float seems to be that it can only be done in rough water by highly skilled (probably BCU- or ACA-certified) instructors. But my point is that we have taught it to hundreds of beginner and intermediate students who are able to make it work all the time, even in rough water. None of them, as far as I know, can stand up in their boats yet, but I haven't spent much time teaching them. However, I'd bet you my kayak that I could teach you a rough-water paddlefloat rescue in an afternoon. Roger Schumann ESKAPE Sea Kayaking (831) 427-2297. Web Page: http://www.eskapekayak.com authors of Guide to Sea Kayaking Central and Northern California > From: Jan Shriner & Roger Schumann <postmaster_at_eskapekayak.com> > Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 09:44:12 -0700 > To: ptreby_at_ozemail.com.au, paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] paddlefloat/outrigger rescue > > But I wouldn't be so sure about your assessment > that a paddlefloat won't work in rough seas just because you haven't had the > opportunity to see one used successfully yet. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi Roger and All, > [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net]On Behalf Of Jan Shriner & > Roger Schumann <Big Snip> > However, I'd bet > you my kayak that I could teach you a rough-water paddlefloat rescue in an > afternoon. Wow that is a bold statement, does this go for all students or just Robert? Cheers, -- Rob Cookson 3 Hats Design INTERNET PRINT ILLUSTRATION 5201 15 Ave NW Suite 220 Seattle, WA 98107 206.851.8202 direct line 206.784.1641 main office phone 206.784.2231 main office fax mailto:rob_at_3hats.com http://www.3hats.com > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 2:32 PM > To: Robert C. Cline; PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] paddlefloat/outrigger rescue > > > Robert Cline wrote: > > > > > > Scott Williams, a BCU instructor and expert paddler demonstrated to me > using > > > the paddle without a paddlefloat held by hand in the > outrigger position > > > climbing back into the cockpit. It can be done. I would > venture to say > he > > > could do this in the surf. I can't do it even in flat water... and I > can't > > > stand up in my cockpit either. But, it can be done. > > > Robert, > > > I'm guessing your point relating to the paddle float seems to > be that it > can only be done in rough water by highly skilled (probably BCU- or > ACA-certified) instructors. But my point is that we have taught > it to hundreds > of beginner and intermediate students who are able to make it work all the > time, even in rough water. None of them, as far as I know, can stand up in > their boats yet, but I haven't spent much time teaching them. > > > Roger Schumann ESKAPE Sea Kayaking > > > (831) 427-2297. Web Page: http://www.eskapekayak.com > > > authors of Guide to Sea Kayaking Central and Northern California > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Jan Shriner & Roger Schumann <postmaster_at_eskapekayak.com> > > > > Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 09:44:12 -0700 > > > > To: ptreby_at_ozemail.com.au, paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > > > > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] paddlefloat/outrigger rescue > > > > > > > > But I wouldn't be so sure about your assessment > > > > that a paddlefloat won't work in rough seas just because > you haven't had > the > > > > opportunity to see one used successfully yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > ****************************************************************** > ********* > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the > author and not > to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > ****************************************************************** > ********* *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Rob: I can do a paddlefloat rescue. What I want to learn is the rough-water paddle-rescue (sans paddle-float; sans outrigger) in an afternoon! Sign me up! Robert > From: Rob Cookson <rob_cookson_at_mindspring.com> > Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 14:48:01 -0700 > To: PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] paddlefloat/outrigger rescue > > Hi Roger and All, > >> [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net]On Behalf Of Jan Shriner & >> Roger Schumann > <Big Snip> > >> However, I'd bet >> you my kayak that I could teach you a rough-water paddlefloat rescue in an >> afternoon. > > Wow that is a bold statement, does this go for all students or just Robert? > > Cheers, *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
No. You miss the point. It is a paddle rescue. Not a paddle-float rescue. You don't need the float. The paddle-blade itself provides enough purchase to get in the boat. You do however, need some practice at it. Robert > Jan Shriner & Roger Schumann <postmaster_at_eskapekayak.com> wrote Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 14:32:16 -0700 > I'm guessing your point relating to the paddle float seems to be that it can > only be done in rough water by highly skilled (probably BCU- or ACA-certified) > instructors. But my point is that we have taught it to hundreds of beginner > and intermediate students who are able to make it work all the time, even in > rough water. None of them, as far as I know, can stand up in their boats yet, > but I haven't spent much time teaching them. However, I'd bet you my kayak > that I could teach you a rough-water paddlefloat rescue in an afternoon. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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