I've signed up for an all day sea kayaking lesson with my significant other for Sunday May 21. I have some very basic paddling experience (slow, flatwater in canoe and recreational kayak) while she has never paddled before. I expect the class to be very informative. We'll learn paddling strokes, bracing, rolls, etc. What things did my fellow readers find difficult to learn initially? What things should we absolutely make sure we learn in our lesson? Any other tips? Thanks, --- Eric Charleston, SC *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Eric Wrote: >I've signed up for an all day sea kayaking lesson with my significant >other for Sunday May 21. I have some very basic paddling experience >(slow, flatwater in canoe and recreational kayak) while she has never >paddled before. I expect the class to be very informative. We'll learn >paddling strokes, bracing, rolls, etc. >What things did my fellow readers find difficult to learn initially? >What things should we absolutely make sure we learn in our lesson? Any >other tips? Hmm. I doubt you'll get around to rolling on your first lesson, instead focus on the forward stroke, leaning and turning. After all you'll be doing that most of the time so you'll want to be doing it as efficiently as possible. You'll feel tippy at first so try wobbling your hips around to loosen up while getting used to how the boat feels in the water. Then comes bracing and sculling. If possible I'd ask to see some self and assisted rescues - you should learn how to get back into a kayak. Remember to keep your weight low and lean towards the paddle float to avoid the "yellow rainbow" - you'll know what I mean if you don't succeed on your first try. Invest in some nose plugs as I'm sure there will be a wet exit or two involved. They aren't necessary, but they'll make it more comfortable. Most of all have fun! Joe *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
A couple of comments from the perspective of someone who was not long ago in exactly the same situation. Forgive the rambling. . . hopefully there might be at least something worth reading. . . First, about the SO. At the risk of sounding a bit too . . . paternal (apologies), I have found that the relationship between SO's and boats can be highly problematic <g>. This is especially true when couples "take lessons" together. I know sailing instructors who will not take couples, period. I had three successive SO's who couldn't deal with my love of boats. Perhaps it's a sign of my own mental defectiveness, but for each of them the boats won out. When my present (and very wonderful) SO decided to take sailing lessons (I never pressured her, she made the decision herself), I declined her invitation to come along. (She had a blast and couldn't stop talking about it for weeks.) I think it's really really important that each person have a personal involvement in the sport, whatever it is. Luckily, my SO and I became interested in kayaking at the same time (about three years ago, while vacationing on MDI, in ME). However, I have gone way beyond her in terms of learning, gear, boats, etc. I recently bought her a new boat (a WS Alto -- not the best boat in the world, but an improvement over what she was paddling, and frankly I find it quite nice to paddle). Still, I have refused to take her more than a few hundred feet from shore, and have refused to take her out in anything other than the calmest conditions, because she doesn't want to invest in immersion clothing, and has not demonstrated any interest in learning rescue techniques (despite my repeated playing of videos showing the need for same). She will have to advance at her own rate, by her own choice, or not at all. Conclusion? Beats me. Just some thoughts. . . . I guess what I'm getting at is that relationships can easily become the victim of a love of boating. . . If my experience is any indicator, the instructors will spend a great deal of time focusing on safety issues and safety gear. When I first took lessons, this bored me to death, and I thought they were jerks. Now, I realize that they were balancing an awareness that I (and others) would feel that way against a very real -- and very valid -- concern. It took me about two years of "casual paddling" before I really began to explore my limits a little bit, and realized how important were the things the instructors had been saying. In short: kayaking can be very dangerous. I would be patient and listen through all this. If they don't say much, I would ask. It may be that they fear the students will not like the course if the overstress safety, and they may welcome a bit of inquiry. If they're too cavalier about safety, I'd consider leaving. On a related note, in the beginning, I just wanted to get out on the water in the boat. Anything that delayed that was just an annoyance. Messing with gear, or clothing, or PFD's or spray skirts or radios or whatever. . . all that was just a big pain in the ass, and I hated it. At this point in my paddling life, I find the safety preparations an almost ritualistic pleasure. When I go paddling, I am aware that if I have six hours to devote, probably three will be spent paddling. There will be one and a half spent getting everything properly offloaded and set up, and studying the location, the conditions, the tides, the winds etc. And there will be another hour and a half spent getting everything back in order at the end. I now enjoy these processes. In the beginning, I didn't. This surely will sound elementary to many. . . as I said, this is the perspective of an almost beginner. Also, I would try to be aware of the clothing and other gear you are using, especially if rented or provided by the instructors. My paddling life changed dramatically when I finally invested in good gear. I have seen people here say that one should spend at least as much on gear as on the boat, and that makes sense to me. Apart from the safety issues, bad gear can be uncomfortable and make the whole experience very unpleasant. Even something as simple as a cheap or wrongly sized or fitted PFD can ruin the whole experience. I recently ditched a very expensive PFD in favor of another one simply because they other one was more appropriate to my body size and shape and the boat I paddle. (The first one was very carefully fitted and recommended at the store, by someone who reall y didn't know what he was doing.) I was very much happier paddling with the new PFD. This can be a problem for SO's, too, as they tend to somehow end up with the cheap gear. . . It's like giving a kid a plastic recorder as her first introduction to music lessons -- a beautiful, ebony model would so much more encourage the interest. . . Beyond that, the things that I found most fascinating as I began to really learn the boat were things like leaning and turning, paddle strokes, and rescue techniques. I still need lots of learning in the latter category -- well, in all of them. But it's really fun to begin to realize what a kayak can do with a little hip movement and use of the paddle. I now love going out and finding a quiet spot and just doing circles, leaning the boat, doing sweeps and backstrokes and so forth. (I especially love this since I bought my CD Caribou, which, with its hard chine, is a blast to lean and turn.) The wet exit and re-entry exercise is also tons of fun if done in a nice, warm, quiet, shallow cove on a warm day, and provides a context and meaning for an afternoon that can really be loads of fun. Another area that I found I needed some help in pretty early on was dealing with waves. I had this idea that paddling into them would be the hard part, but as it turned out, for me at least, paddling down them (surfing) was far more scary and far more difficult. My SO has developed more slowly here, and on a recent trip in (for us) relatively difficult conditions, she lagged behind, not knowing what to do about the following seas, and was scared to death. I found it difficult to "slow down" to her pace (she was resisting the waves, at her great risk), and tried to turn around to go back to her, and found that very difficult, too. I managed to back-paddle enough to let her catch up, but she was quite shaken, I think. I would focus very closely on any instruction about surfing. It's so easy to broach, and once broached, it is so easy to go over. . . We went over repeatedly in the Caribbean recently, fortunately in rented (plastic) boats on a sandy coastline. . . . Wind was also a great shock to me. For 25 plus years, as a sailor, the wind has been my great friend. A good "fresh breeze" just means an invigorating sail, perhaps with a reef or two and a storm jib, and a toast to the gods of somethingorother. In the kayak, it means a real pain in the ass. Weathercocking was an interesting thing to discovery. Although I don't like rudders, my skeg on my Caribou has made life much more pleasant in cross winds. Finally, I would just add that, of the several times I have gone out with groups for lessons or guided day trips, I have found the instructors of very mixed quality. It's sometimes hard to properly judge when they are good. I had one guy, very nice, who on learning what my profession was, spent a great deal of time asking me questions that related to a side business of his. He did less instructing as a result. I enjoyed the conversation, but I think others in the group resented it. I would be aware of the fact that not everyone who gets a job as an instructor deserves it, and not let faults or limitations from the course interfere with my interest in the sport. Finally, if they don't say anything about low-impact use of the waters and shores, I'd ask. I think this should be a part of every kayak course. So. . . there's the ramblings of someone who is very close in level and experience to the person asking the question. Worth what you paid for it. . . Mark L > I've signed up for an all day sea kayaking lesson with my significant > other for Sunday May 21. I have some very basic paddling experience > (slow, flatwater in canoe and recreational kayak) while she has never > paddled before. I expect the class to be very informative. We'll learn > paddling strokes, bracing, rolls, etc. > > What things did my fellow readers find difficult to learn initially? > What things should we absolutely make sure we learn in our lesson? 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Mark L. wrote: "Another area that I found I needed some help in pretty early on was dealing with waves. I had this idea that paddling into them would be the hard part, but as it turned out, for me at least, paddling down them (surfing) was far more scary and far more difficult." Very good tip, this, IMHO. Anyone testing boats with a view to buying should make sure that the boat's behaviour in following and quartering seas is fully explored. PT. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> What things did my fellow readers find difficult to learn initially? > What things should we absolutely make sure we learn in our lesson? Any > other tips? > Hi Eric, good luck with the class. It took me a long time to get it through my thick head that I need to loosen up a bit, get the feel of the boat, before I blindly plunge off from the the dock or beach. Most of my "surprise" capsizes have happened a few yards from the put-in just by not being loose and at-one with the boat. Being seated at a desk or car seat is not the same as in a kayak! Wiggle your hips a bit when you get in, get a feel for stability, lean the boat a bit from side to side, and get a feel for it. During your intro class you should be shown a low brace and a J- lean and this will give you confidence to know your and your particular boats "point of no-return". You'll need to lean to turn and sweep/scull effectively and you need this confidence to push basic, and more advanced strokes to the limit. I mention this because my "basic strokes" class didn't emphasize this at all. They just put us in boats and said "now you hold the paddle like this...." It doesn't matter whether I've had the boat out in a month, a week, or yesterday, I still need this 3-5 minute settleing in period with my boat before I even think about a forward stroke. This may just be my own thing; I don't know. -Nick *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I hate it when I'm forced to reveal the depth of my ignorance about some things, but what's the "yellow rainbow???" Joan > Remember > to keep your weight low and lean towards the paddle float to avoid > the > "yellow rainbow" - you'll know what I mean if you don't succeed on > your > first try. > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
that's when your red paddle float starts in a outrigger position on a re-entry, and with misplaced weight distribution spins overhead approaching the speed of light... volinjo_at_juno.com wrote: > > I hate it when I'm forced to reveal the depth of my ignorance about some > things, but what's the "yellow rainbow???" > > Joan > > > Remember > > to keep your weight low and lean towards the paddle float to avoid > > the > > "yellow rainbow" - you'll know what I mean if you don't succeed on > > your > > first try. -- : : Gabriel L Romeu : http://studiofurniture.com furniture from the workshop : http://members.xoom.com/gabrielR life as a tourist, daily journal : http://users.aol.com/romeugp paintings, photographs, etchings, objects *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Others with more experience will doubtless give better advice, but here are a few ideas that come readily to mind. 1. Relax and enjoy the day. Nothing can go wrong if you just view everything that happens as recreational experience (even if you take your recreation seriously) 2. One of the earliest lessons should be the "wet exit." Practicing how to keep your cool when exiting the boat after a capsize (intentional or otherwise) gives you confidence and keeps everything in the "fun" range. 3. When you learn how to do a forward stroke, pay attention to the instructions to emphasize body rotation over arm pulling. It's possible (if awkward) to have a credible forward stroke with almost stiff arms, so long as you use lots of body rotation. Point the center of your chest at "10:00 o'clock" when stroking to the left and then at "2:00 o'clock" when stroking to the right. 4. Learn to support the forward stroke with your legs. Many instructors leave this out of early instruction. As you plant the paddle in the water near your left foot, gently press that left foot against the foot peg and use that support as the base for your body rotation. This transmits the energy of your stroke to the boat most efficiently. 5. You will turn the boat more efficiently and keep your balance better when you become comfortable "edging" the boat. You do this by raising one knee and dropping your butt on the opposite side. You can -- after a while -- edge the boat to a significant angle very comfortably and to good effect. It will help you to keep your balance if you remember to keep your head over the center of the boat, regardless of how much you edge. This will feel very tenuous at first, but it will pay handsomely when you become comfortable with edging. These are just a few basic ideas that (I believe) underlie all of the skills you will learn. Take your time, stay comfortable with what you are doing and don't push so hard that it stops being fun. Each of us is different. Some take years to acquire skills that come to others in months. If you ensure that the journey is as much fun as the destination, you can't lose. Have a great time! Bob V -----Original Message----- From: Eric Crampton <eric_at_atdesk.com> To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net> Date: Thursday, May 11, 2000 5:02 PM Subject: [Paddlewise] Taking some kayaking lessons >I've signed up for an all day sea kayaking lesson with my significant >other for Sunday May 21. I have some very basic paddling experience >(slow, flatwater in canoe and recreational kayak) while she has never >paddled before. I expect the class to be very informative. We'll learn >paddling strokes, bracing, rolls, etc. > >What things did my fellow readers find difficult to learn initially? >What things should we absolutely make sure we learn in our lesson? Any >other tips? > >Thanks, >--- >Eric >Charleston, SC *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Eric asked: > What things did my fellow readers find difficult to learn initially? > What things should we absolutely make sure we learn in our lesson? Any > other tips? >> Eric, Are you taking a class from Charleston County Parks and Recreation? If so know this, any formal instruction program follows guidelines set by it's sanctioning body. What you are taught (read introduced to) will be predetermined by this sanctioning body. When I say introduced to, it is to suggest that you will be introduced to concepts and technique. The post instruction practice is extremely important. An instructor in a four hour introductory class of 12 students may be allotted 15 minutes to introduce the forward stroke. The instructors demonstrate the pure form of the stroke. Your forward stroke will evolve over time to fit your body, equipment and conditions. While in a class, try to learn the pure form. The most difficult thing to learn initially may be to allow the instructor to instruct. If you enter a class with predetermined goals that are outside the scope of the class, you may be disappointed. Know what will be taught in a class before you sign up. If you are taking lessons with a private instructor, they will be able to be more flexible. Intro lesson normally will include discussion about equipment, safety issues, loading/unloading/carrying boats, personal goals, need for further instruction, local paddling conditions and opportunities, etc. Demonstration and practice of entry and exit on land and on water. Demonstration and practice of strokes (forward, back, sweep, reverse sweep, draw, sculling draw). Demonstration and practice of bracing (low, high, sculling). Once again, it is important to understand that you will not become an expert kayaker with one or two lessons. Practice, practice, practice, but it must be quality practice. Here is a very basic forward stroke tip that is so basic it is most often overlooked. Many new paddlers try to pull the paddle through the water, the idea is to move the boat not the paddle. Plant the paddle, it stays stationary and the boat gets pulled up to it. The best general tip that I could give you is to approach the class with an open mind, relax, learn and enjoy. It truly is the beginning of a lifelong journey. Hope that I didn't bore you too badly, Bruce McC WEO *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi All, This has been an interesting thread for me to read as an instructor. I would say don't be surprised if your experience is different from everyone else's even if they have taken lessons from the same instructor. I think that a good instructor tailors his instruction to the students. Given that there is a limited amount of time the instructor needs to decide on the priorities for that particular lesson and do his best to teach them. In addition each student "hears" things differently and will remember different aspects of a lesson. That to me is the challenge and reward of being an instructor, finding a way to reach each individual student and work with their learning style rather than expecting them to work with my teaching style. Students learn at different rates. I have students that absorb each facet of a particular skill as quickly as I can dish them out. I have other students that struggle with even the most basic of concepts. This in part explains some of the difference in experience of the students. If I have a student that is struggling with the most basic coordination of the forward stroke, then I'm not going to spend a lot of time talking about starting my stroke with my feet, or how important it is to relax the hands. A good forward stroke has so many individual components it's like asking students to walk, talk, chew gum, juggle, and compose a symphony all at the same time. I like to build a foundation and then add to and refine the stroke from there. I mention the components during my pre-paddle talk but that may be the end of it. Sometimes this results in one student saying to the next "oh well he never mentioned that to me" and to me that's part of giving appropriate information at the appropriate time. There is no sense in teaching a cross bow draw before a sweep. In a short lesson (2 hours) on basic paddling technique I would expect the following. An on shore discussion that covered basic strokes: Forward, Back, Sweep and Draw. A discussion about wet exiting and capsize. Adjusting fit and footbraces. Ease of entry and exit without capsize (and yes I teach using the paddle for entry). Introduction to the J-lean or hip control of the boat. When on the water there are a couple of things that I really want the student to learn above all else. I want them to get a sense of wearing the boat and controlling it with their hips. This helps teach them that they are responsible for keeping the boat right side up. I want them to have a really nice sweep stroke and a sense of how to apply it to going straight. I would rather have a student leave with a good sweep and a weak forward stroke than the other way around. They will work on their forward stroke every time they are in a boat, some of them will never think about the sweep again until they really need it. I never allow the use of a rudder during class. And I want to see as efficient a forward stroke as is possible in this period of time. I hope that when a student leaves that I have given them tools to work with to advance beyond what they have learned in the lesson. I hope that they understand what the elements of the skills we worked on are so that they can continue to refine them. I hope that they have got the message that taking rescue classes is a must do, and that they practice them regularly. I try to suggest some appropriate resources that will allow them to progress beyond where they are at present. I hope that when all is done that the students leave enthused and inspired but with a realistic idea of their present skill levels; that is, just because you did a successful rescue in the lake doesn't mean it will work in rough water. And oh yeah, I like all of this to happen in an atmosphere that is fun safe and as controlled as possible. I'm sure I've forgotten something here but those are the basics. Enjoy your lessons and give your instructor feedback good or bad. Cheers, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" Benjamin Franklin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>Date: 11 May 2000 15:00:18 -0400 >From: Eric Crampton <eric_at_atdesk.com> >I've signed up for an all day sea kayaking lesson with my significant >other for Sunday May 21. >Any tips? Do NOT instruct your SO, do NOT instruct your SO, do NOT instruct your SO. One of the first things I learned from taking lessons with my wife is to never correct or try to instruct her. That is what you are paying the instructor for. All you will do is make her mad at you. And you may not be right... and if you are right you aren't right... Oh, did I mention: do NOT instruct your SO. >Eric >Charleston, SC Are you taking this class through Coastal Expeditions? I've taken a half day class (my first class) with them and really enjoyed it. Very good organization. Mel --- There are three types of people, those who can count and those who can't. --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Before you buy. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Mel Grindol wrote: > > Do NOT instruct your SO, do NOT instruct your SO, do NOT instruct your SO. <snip> > > Oh, did I mention: do NOT instruct your SO. Better still, if you are divided up into groups, arrange to get separated. In a new, stressful situation, it's natural to turn for guidance to someone you trust. In the class context, that someone must be the instructor. This is especially true for parents taking classes with children. In my courses, the only times spouses or parent/child pairs are together is if they paddle tandem, and sometimes we separate them even then. As a side benefit, on the way home you can compare and contrast teaching styles of the instructors each of you had in your group. Steve *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> -----Original Message----- > From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net]On Behalf Of Mel Grindol > Do NOT instruct your SO, do NOT instruct your SO, do NOT instruct your > SO. One of the first things I learned from taking lessons with my wife > is to never correct or try to instruct her. That is what you are > paying the instructor for. All you will do is make her mad at you. > And you may not be right... and if you are right you aren't right... > > Oh, did I mention: do NOT instruct your SO. > > Mel Wise words. Do NOT instruct your SO. Reminds me of a wee verse (by Ogden Nash I think), something like: To keep a marriage brimming, with the loving cup full up, When your wrong, admit it, and when your right, SHUT UP! Cheers Colin Calder 57º19'N 2º10'W *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
My paddle float is yellow, but the affect is the same. We can call it a Paddle float rainbow for the color challenged. -----Original Message----- From: Gabriel L Romeu [mailto:romeug_at_erols.com] Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 12:29 AM To: volinjo_at_juno.com Cc: Joe Brzoza; eric_at_atdesk.com; paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Taking some kayaking lessons that's when your red paddle float starts in a outrigger position on a re-entry, and with misplaced weight distribution spins overhead approaching the speed of light... volinjo_at_juno.com wrote: > > I hate it when I'm forced to reveal the depth of my ignorance about some > things, but what's the "yellow rainbow???" > > Joan > > > Remember > > to keep your weight low and lean towards the paddle float to avoid > > the > > "yellow rainbow" - you'll know what I mean if you don't succeed on > > your > > first try. -- : : Gabriel L Romeu : http://studiofurniture.com furniture from the workshop : http://members.xoom.com/gabrielR life as a tourist, daily journal : http://users.aol.com/romeugp paintings, photographs, etchings, objects *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Oh. I never tried that one... Joan On Fri, 12 May 2000 00:28:46 -0400 Gabriel L Romeu <romeug_at_erols.com> writes: > that's when your red paddle float starts in a outrigger position on a > re-entry, and with misplaced weight distribution spins overhead > approaching the speed of light... > > volinjo_at_juno.com wrote: > > > > I hate it when I'm forced to reveal the depth of my ignorance > about some > > things, but what's the "yellow rainbow???" *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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