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From: <MJAkayaker_at_aol.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Puget Sound Tide Tables
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 17:20:42 EDT
I am planning a trip to Hood Canal, Puget Sound, and San Juans in August.  
Randal Washburne's guide emphasizes the importance of having tide and current 
tables for the area's you plan to paddle.  He mention's Island Canoe 
Company's "Current and Tide Tables ..." as a good reference source.  Since I 
am only going to be paddling for 2-3 weeks I have a couple of questions.

1.  Is there a weekly or monthly periodical that I could get when I get up 
there that would have the information I need for the couple of weeks I will 
be there?

2.  If #1 is no, can I pick up a copy of Island Canoe Company's tables when I 
get there?  (Since they are annual tables I was concerned that there might be 
limited availability by August).

3. If #2 is no where could I order one now.  I checked Amazon and they had 
1997 and 1998 versions listed, but no 2000 editions.

4. Is there any other tide/current related tables, guides, etc. that I should 
consider?  Down here the max tide range is about 2 feet (usually less than 1 
ft) and tidal currents are minimal if they exist at all. My lack of 
experience with tides and tidal currents makes me a little concerned about 
getting into trouble in Puget Sound or the San Juans.

Mark J. Arnold
MJAkayaker_at_aol.com
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From: Rich Beatty <beatty_at_microtech.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Puget Sound Tide Tables
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:32:43 -0700
I don't paddle in Puget sound but find this site quite useful in the bay area
rb

http://tbone.biol.sc.edu/tide/sitesel.html

MJAkayaker_at_aol.com wrote:

> I am planning a trip to Hood Canal, Puget Sound, and San Juans in August.
> Randal Washburne's guide emphasizes the importance of having tide and current
> tables for the area's you plan to paddle.  He mention's Island Canoe
> Company's "Current and Tide Tables ..." as a good reference source.  Since I
> am only going to be paddling for 2-3 weeks I have a couple of questions.

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From: MSN/RiDem <RiDem_at_email.msn.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Puget Sound Tide Tables
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 17:53:40 -0400
There is a freeware program call XTide which may be of use to you, while
tracking down the actual print tables.
The information below is shamelessly lifted from XTides Help File!
  The print tables should be available at any marine supply or chart store .
On Line try : http://www.bluewaterweb.com/nauticalcharts/  or
http://www.rhjohnchart.com/ or http://www.mapworldcalgary.com/

"WXTide32 by Mike Hopper provides tide and current predictions for about
9,700 stations around the world.  Data can be displayed in a variety of
graphical formats and also in a textual form listing daily tides,
incremental levels or a full month calendar.  Predictions can be performed
on any date between 1970 and 2038.This program and the output it produces
has NOT been verified by any official authorizing agency so the
determination of suitability as to purpose or use is left to the user.  This
means that you should not rely solely on the tide predictions from this
program but should use any and all available sources before making any
decisions."

Program support and the latest version can currently be found on the
Internet at:
http://www.GeoCities.com/SiliconValley/Horizon/1195/wxtide32.html or
http://www.GeoCities.com/svhorizon/wxtide32.html (This is a new feature of
GeoCities)

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Subject: [Paddlewise] Puget Sound Tide Tables


(MAJOR SNIP)
> 4. Is there any other tide/current related tables, guides, etc. that I
should
> consider?  Down here the max tide range is about 2 feet (usually less than
1
> ft) and tidal currents are minimal if they exist at all. My lack of
> experience with tides and tidal currents makes me a little concerned about
> getting into trouble in Puget Sound or the San Juans.
>
> Mark J. Arnold
> MJAkayaker_at_aol.com
>


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From: Robinson, Rob <Herman.Robinson_at_PSS.Boeing.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Puget Sound Tide Tables
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:23:55 -0700
Hi Mark,
I like the spiral bound tide and current book put out by Captains:
http://www.capjack.com/info/books.asp?a=0
It lays flat, is fairly rugged, and isn't awfully expensive.  

Rob Robinson
	>> I am planning a trip to Hood Canal, Puget Sound, and San Juans in August.  
> Randal Washburne's guide emphasizes the importance of having tide and current 
> tables for the area's you plan to paddle.  He mention's Island Canoe 
> Company's "Current and Tide Tables ..." as a good reference source.  Since I 
> am only going to be paddling for 2-3 weeks I have a couple of questions.
> 
> 1.  Is there a weekly or monthly periodical that I could get when I get up 
> there that would have the information I need for the couple of weeks I will 
> be there?<<
> 
	   
	 

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From: Melissa <bonnyweeboaty_at_yahoo.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Puget Sound Tide Tables
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 16:45:25 -0700 (PDT)
--- MJAkayaker_at_aol.com wrote:
> I am planning a trip to Hood Canal, Puget Sound, and San Juans in
> August.  
> Randal Washburne's guide emphasizes the importance of having tide and
> current 
> tables for the area's you plan to paddle.  He mention's Island Canoe 
> Company's "Current and Tide Tables ..." as a good reference source. 
> Since I 
> am only going to be paddling for 2-3 weeks I have a couple of
> questions.
> 
> 1.  Is there a weekly or monthly periodical that I could get when I
> get up 
> there that would have the information I need for the couple of weeks
> I will 
> be there?

Usually, you can pick up monthly tide tables (without current tables or
local area adjustments) just about anywhere.  Even gas stations often
have little monthly basic tide tables that are free.  If you're
planning to paddle for a few weeks, in various areas in and around
puget sound, getting the complete Island Canoe Tables is really the
best idea.  

> 
> 2.  If #1 is no, can I pick up a copy of Island Canoe Company's
> tables when I 
> get there?  (Since they are annual tables I was concerned that there
> might be 
> limited availability by August).

I guess that depends on where you'll be exactly, and if any outfitters
or marine/nautical bookstores in the area sell them, etc.

> 
> 3. If #2 is no where could I order one now.  I checked Amazon and
> they had 
> 1997 and 1998 versions listed, but no 2000 editions.

http://www.nwoc.com  1-800-683-0637 (Northwest Outdoor Center - in
Seattle) carries them.  I'm sure you could order one from them.

It won't hurt to have one of these, as, once you've experienced the
paddling in Puget Sound and the San Juans, you'll be wanting to return
anyway - probably before the current edition expires anyway.

Enjoy!

Melissa

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From: Andree Hurley <ahurley_at_viewit.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Puget Sound Tide Tables
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 00:47:26 -0400 (EDT)
Captain Jack's is just great, although I love the Island Canoe system. I
went to get this year's tables at West Marine  and they told me
they had stopped making them. The little table they sell for a dollar,
however, lines up nicely with the book inwhich Island Canoe overlayed
current corrections on charts. Being very visual, I am still using this
system. I also find it is a bit more "micro" than other, in than you can
easily calculate the minutes and velocity in specific areas. I 'm sure you
can with the others too, but as I learned this way first and teach
it....it's hard to teach old dogs new tricks!

Andree Hurley - http://www.viewit.com/
  Viewit Dot Com - Websites for Specialty Businesses 
	On Water Sports, Kayaking Resources  - http://www.onwatersports.com
		-Now selling the Garmin GPS and Accessories-

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From: Terry Reid <terryr_at_olypen.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Puget Sound Tide Tables
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 21:22:05 -0700
I have found the "Current Master" software for windows is the most
convienent source of tide and current information.  You need the current
maps from Island Canoe, but the combination of the two sources can't be
beat.


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From: Dave Kruger <dkruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Puget Sound Tide Tables
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 00:26:47 -0700
Terry Reid wrote:
> 
> I have found the "Current Master" software for windows is the most
> convienent source of tide and current information.  You need the current
> maps from Island Canoe, but the combination of the two sources can't be
> beat.

Another choice is Tides and Currents (TnC), from Nobeltec
(http://www.tides.com/), which will print out displays of current and/or tide
info for all the NOAA and CHS stations, available in West and East coast of
North America versions, good from 1900 to 2100.  Washburne's tables/charts (if
memory serves) generalize the NOAA data to show current arrows over a broader
area than the exact locations of the stations, and include some gyres
established through local knowledge, so they may be better for the San Juans.

However, I've used TnC **extensively** the last five years and have yet to see
a significant discrepancy down here on the Columbia.  For my paddling area, it
marries well with another Nobeltec product, Chartview Planner (CP), to make
useful plots **of navigational quality,** which incorporate current arrows
(indicating magnitude) and tide bar graphs on the chart.  Finally, CP/TnC will
do an animation of any piece of the tidal cycle (or, a couple days of cycles,
if you wish) so you can see the dynamics of currents or tides displayed.

I've also used TnC a lot to plan out jaunts to Vancouver Island and the
Charlottes, picking either maximum or minimum windows for tidal action, as it
suited my interest.  If you want a really low tide for viewing intertidal life
from the cockpit, for instance, it pays to pick a spring tide window for a
multiday tour in the Charlottes instead of a neap window.  OTOH, if you are a
current chicken (like me), you would pick a neap window for negotiating passes
where the currents can really whip up! (Hagen would pick a spring window,
right, Dan?)

Usual disclaimer re:  no commercial interest in CP or TnC -- just a very
satisfied customer.  Best gift for my big five-o birthday.

-- 
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
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