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From: <RBHoltKayak_at_aol.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] HX 150S Waterproof ?
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:35:11 EDT
    There has been discussion on this list and in my local paddling group 
about the Standard HX 150S being rated as only water resistant or 
"intermediate" waterproof.  My question is where does the claim of it being 
only "intermediate" waterproof originate?  Is there a construction difference 
between the two models?  Is there independent testing to back up this claim?  
    The reason I ask is that the only indication (that I have found) that the 
150S is less waterproof than the 350S  appears on the product tag found at 
West Marine.  Standard does not claim a difference in waterproofness.  Could 
it be that West Marine's designation of the 150S being only "intermediate"  
is an attempt to encourage consumers to buy the more expensive model?  Or 
could it be that the intermediate designation is based on an older model?  I 
noticed that Standard's marine product line was sold to the Vertex Radio 
division of Yaesa USA  (http://www.yaesu.com/marine) and they do not list the 
350 as a current product.  Anybody know what the real story is?
    And to answer Jack Martin's question, yes, the 150S does have the 
automatic weather alert feature.
                            Robb
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From: Philip Torrens <skerries_at_hotmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] HX 150S Waterproof ?
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:58:54 PDT
>     There has been discussion on this list and in my local paddling group
>about the Standard HX 150S being rated as only water resistant or
>"intermediate" waterproof.  My question is where does the claim of it being
>only "intermediate" waterproof originate?  Is there a construction 
>difference
>between the two models?  Is there independent testing to back up this 
>claim?
>     The reason I ask is that the only indication (that I have found) that 
>the
>150S is less waterproof than the 350S  appears on the product tag found at
>West Marine.  Standard does not claim a difference in waterproofness.  
>Could
>it be that West Marine's designation of the 150S being only "intermediate"
>is an attempt to encourage consumers to buy the more expensive model?  Or
>could it be that the intermediate designation is based on an older model?

I don't know if this applies to the 150S and 350S, but I do remember a West 
Marine "Advisor" (those in-depth background side-bars they publish)from a 
couple of years back which noted that sometimes the waterproof warrenty a 
manufacturer offers has more to do with sales than engineering. They 
mentioned the case of an unnamed manufacturer who had boosted the waterproof 
warrenty on a given model of radio from (I think) one year to three years, 
without making any change in the design; the manufacturer seemed to be 
calculating that the cost of the additional "hits" they would take under the 
extended warrenty would be more than offset by the additional sales they 
would make as a result of the extended warrenty.
So I guess what we should really be looking for is not only the warrenty the 
manufacturer offers, but also the "objective" rating as determined by one or 
more of the actual industry tests.

Philip Torrens
N49°16' W123°06'

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