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From: Phares Heindl <pmheindl_at_afo.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] Insurance for Boat Theft,
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:34:26 -0400
Hey-$35 a year. I think my homeowners would cover subject to deductible
since it was stolen from my yard. However, getting coverage across the board
for $35 a year is incredible. Can you post more info on that insurance
company such as how to get in touch with them.

I still think we should take every reasonable caution to prevent theft.
Do any of you leave your Kayak on top of a vehicle and if so, do you lock it
or just hope?


Phares M. Heindl
Phares M. Heindl P. A.
Board Certified Civil Trial Lawyer
Phone: 407-865-5700
Fax:      407-865-5758
Email:   injurylaw_at_afo.net
Web:    www.heindllaw.com
_____________________________________Mike W wrote:

"This might be a situation where insurance would be a better deal than an
electronic alarm.  I insure my glass boat for $35/year, about 1.2 percent of
the replacement cost.  This is nothing compared to the depreciation of the
first day's ownership.  I figure I will keep this up until the boat is so
battered that I couldn't sell it for $1000, then arrange to have it stolen
;-)

I store the boat in the garage, and I can't remember if this was a factor in
the quote, or conditional for the offer to insure.  I still usually use a
cable and padlock while cartopping if I plan to turn my back on the
boat for more than a few minutes, but it does reduce the anxiety level
greatly.  My insurer is Amica, which I've naver made a claim on, but my
girlfriend and her family have used them for many years and think they are
good, so I do have some faith in the coverage.

The liability coverage could also come in handy if I ever run over a
jetskier!
or, more realisticly, a surfer or swimmer at the beach.

Mike WAgenbach"

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From: Hal Levine <hlevin_at_jlc.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Insurance for Boat Theft,
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:06:16 -0400
I have Allstate Coverage at $27/boat for $2500 each and $550 for accessories
as well as $25,000 medical liability.  the policy has a $50 deductible.  I
have never tested the policy but it does make me sleep better!

Hal                 "Power your boat with carbohydrates not hydrocarbons"
Wilton, NH
http://www.jlc.net/~hlevin

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From: tompage <tompage_at_sarahleonard.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Insurance for Boat Theft,
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:43:37 -0400
If you check your regular homeowner's policy, chances are watercraft are not
covered.  Same for your auto insurance.  I got an additional policy through
my house insurance company for all 8 boats in my garage. Helps me sleep
better too.
Tom

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From: Robert C. Cline <rccline_at_swbell.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Insurance for Boat Theft,
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:38:34 -0500
I second the motion.  Who else has boat insurance??

> From: Phares Heindl <pmheindl_at_afo.net>
> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:34:26 -0400
> To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net
> Subject: [Paddlewise] Insurance for Boat Theft,
> 
> Hey-$35 a year. I think my homeowners would cover subject to deductible
> since it was stolen from my yard. However, getting coverage across the board
> for $35 a year is incredible. Can you post more info on that insurance
> company such as how to get in touch with them.

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From: Kirk Olsen <kolsen_at_imagelan.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Insurance for Boat Theft,
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:29:55 -0400 (EDT)
On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Robert C. Cline wrote:

> I second the motion.  Who else has boat insurance??

I have it.  Be forewarned that you need to push this with the agent.

I got a cold call for a home insurance quote and made it clear the
quote needed to include coverage for 2 sea kayaks.  The agent called back
about 3 times, over 5 weeks, before he was able to finish getting a quote.  

He was surprised at how hard a time he had finding out how to cover a sea
kayak.  He said he had learned a lot while making the quote.  Unfortunately,
for him, he didn't beat the existing policy.

kirk
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From: Dave Uebele <daveu_at_sptddog.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Insurance for Boat Theft,
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 06:47:11 -0700
Robert C. Cline wrote:
> 
> I second the motion.  Who else has boat insurance??

We talked with out agent (state farm) about boat insurance awhile ago,
trying to sort out what sort of insurance made sense.
Their rates really are more geared more toward larger, power or sail boats.
Adding to the complexity, is the two pygmy coho's, homebuilt, which
the insurance company really doesn't have a clue about replacement
value.  I might be able to get reimbursment for the cost of
the kit, but not my time building them, or finished value.

I think what it worked out is that under the homeowners policy, the 
store bought kayaks would be covered up $1000.  If they were valued 
above that, you needed to get a per boat insurance policy, like for 
a car or power boat.

So since we mostly have rotomolded in the fleet other than the pygmys, 
it wasn't worth getting a seperate policy, If I had a nice, expensive
fiberglass or kevlar kayak, worth several thousand, it might be
worth having a seperate policy for that.

So, ask around, what will be covered, what is the deductable, is there 
a maximum payout per incident (and what if gear is stolen at the 
same time)? When if at all does it make sense to have a seperate 
policy per kayak.  What does the boat policy cover?

dave
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From: Michael Daly <michaeldaly_at_home.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Insurance for Boat Theft,
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:38:14 -0400
"Robert C. Cline" wrote:

> I second the motion.  Who else has boat insurance??
>
> > From: Phares Heindl <pmheindl_at_afo.net>
> >
> > Hey-$35 a year. I think my homeowners would cover subject to deductible
> > since it was stolen from my yard. However, getting coverage across the board
> > for $35 a year is incredible. Can you post more info on that insurance
> > company such as how to get in touch with them.

I pay C$50 per kayak on my home insurance.  It is replacement value and applies
wherever I take the kayak.  If it's taken off the car, I can make a claim even without
a police report!!!  No evidence of theft (damage etc) reqd.  Caveat - I haven't tested
the company's claim handling on this, so getting a settlement may be easier said
than done, but for car (hit by drunk) and home (break in) they were no problem at
all.

Economical Mutual Ins Co.  The coverage is under the same catagory as for small
power boats, sailboats etc.

Mike

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From: <JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Insurance for Boat Theft,
Date: Tue Jun 20 06:22:57 2000
<If you check your regular homeowner's policy, chances are watercraft are not covered.  Same for your auto insurance.  I got an additional policy through my house insurance company for all 8 boats in my garage.>

One thing to check on homeowner's policies is whether your boats are covered only while in the house/garage.  That seems to be the case with most U.S. insurance companies these days --- in other words, homeowner's insurance may cover the boats while they're on your premises but not when they're on the car or in the water.  The other biggie is liability insurance; not to revisit the great PaddleWise bow'n'stern tiedown debate, but, if your sleek sea kayak did somehow leave your vehicle at speed and become a freeway missile, are you covered for the damage it could do?

Jack Martin
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