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From: PJ Rattenbury <ratten_at_uow.edu.au>
subject: [Paddlewise] Standard v Raytheon VHFs
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 13:42:38 +1000
	Thanks Jack,  for your experience with the Standard.  You might be
interested to hear that I do  have a Standard Horizon 12v, 25watt which I
use on 'expeditions'.  Hey, these are the sorts of crazy things you can do
when you paddle a Klepper!  
	Radio is a sort of background hobby of mine, which I have combined with
kayaking. Some people fish, some people surf in their kayaks, some people
go bird or whale watching; hey, I play with my radios. 
	Like many kayakers down here in Ozland I run to an electric pump, which is
run off a 12v sealed lead acid battery.  This also gives me adequate power
for the radio.  I bought the Horizon, [which has proved to be JIS-7
waterproof, as advertised, including the mike!, ]  when I was in the U.S. a
few years back.
	This was roughly HALF the price of the only 'waterproof' HH on the market
here at the time, [ an ICOM] .  I run to a sectioned antenna using RG58
stripped back to the marine frequencies and this gives me an antenna
horizon lifted roughly 12feet above sea level, and markedly better than the
rubber ducky antennas on handhelds.  The weight factor of the battery is
negligible in the Klepper;  roughly the equivalent of a large bottle of
medicinal brandy or a nice Australian red. 
	Another radio I use is a Uniden 979XL handheld, with the Australian
Seaphone capability alongside normal VHF modes,  which provides access to
the landline network [ and operates in much the same manner as a digital
cellphone] with 999 backup, which I think is 911 in your country.  But you
wouldn't believe it; Uniden designed a nice little bit of kit like that,
for fishos, yachties, [ probably weren't considering kayakers] and did not
'marinise' it!  I think they envisaged it being used within the cloistered
confines of a flying bridge on a 45ft Bertram or something.   And why you
would bother with a HH on a 'gin palace' I cannot imagine....
	Most of the time I use the one watt transmit option on the Standard
Horizon but it is nice to have the 25w capability as a standby. And it has
this other groovy capability of being able to broadcast your position
automatically if it is hooked up to a GPS and it has this gee-whizz digital
selective calling capability... 
	Now all I have to do is figure out how to hook up some solar cells to the
battery..... and then I might look at a portable HF so I can talk to the
world from my kayak....  the project list goes on and on....!
	But then again, sometimes I leave the gadgets at home... I look on radio
is a hobby, not a safety item to be relied upon.
	cheers,  peterR


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From: <JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Standard v Raytheon VHFs
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:17:38 EDT
peterR wrote, "I am intrigued by the good press about the Standard handheld on PaddleWise.   Is there anyone on the list who has used or owns the Raytheons?" 

As one of the owners and strong proponents of the Standard (Yaesu) HX350S, I can also recommend the old Apelco (now Raytheon) 510, then designated "waterproof".  (Don't know which unit replaced the 510.)I've had it for about six years, soaked it in the bilges of an aircraft exit slide turned life raft for 24 hours during a rescue exercise off the coast of Florida, using it intermittently during that period with no problem, have used it around and in the water, swum it, rolled with it, and had one instance of water intrusion (as I had with the Standard, as well) but after I dropped it on a concrete pier, which, while well out of warranty and obviously damaged, the company still fixed at no cost.  I'd be using it now, but the replacement battery, which I now need, is over $80, and the investment in the Standard seemed more cost-sensitive.  (Having said that, I may get a battery for it and keep it as a standby.)

Don't worry too much about the output on these radios.  Higher wattage, at our antenna height, means only that you may be able to punch through chatter and electronic clutter better to get an emergency call out, but it is not a factor in any sort of range extension, primarily the result of the fact that we sit *in* the water, electronically speaking, rather than *on* the water, as conventional boats tend to do.

Good luck with the decision.

Jack Martin

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From: Jack Fu <jack.fu_at_worldnet.att.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Standard v Raytheon VHFs
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 22:56:35 -0700
>>  	Now all I have to do is figure out how to hook up some solar cells to
the
battery..... and then I might look at a portable HF so I can talk to the
world from my kayak....  the project list goes on and on....!

Next you'll be hooking up a TV!

Er... come to  think of it, do they have TV down in Australia?

:-)


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From: B00jum! <snark_at_tulgey.org>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Standard v Raytheon VHFs
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:37:54 -0400 (EDT)
Jack Fu writes:
 > >>  	Now all I have to do is figure out how to hook up some solar cells to
 > the
 > battery..... and then I might look at a portable HF so I can talk to the
 > world from my kayak....  the project list goes on and on....!
 > 
 > Next you'll be hooking up a TV!

Even worse - a net connection!  Think of it, posting your trip report
*as* you go along 8}  Of course, I havn't heard of a JIS-7 laptop yet, 
but don't worry - I'm sure someone is working on it.


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From: Jack Fu <jack.fu_at_worldnet.att.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Standard v Raytheon VHFs
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:20:20 -0700
Glen wrote:

>> I havn't heard of a JIS-7 laptop yet

I'm afraid that if they ever did make one, I'd buy one!

:-( 



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From: Whyte, David <DHW_at_Mail.amsa.gov.au>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Standard v Raytheon VHFs
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:13:19 +1000
	Jack said
> Er... come to  think of it, do they have TV down in Australia?
> 
> :-)
> 
> 
	Yes but unfortunately we get a lot of US programs. Quality stuff too
like "Survivor"

	David 
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From: Michael R Noyes <mnoyes_at_gsinet.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Standard v Raytheon VHFs
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:32:47 -0400
"Whyte, David" wrote:

>
>         Yes but unfortunately we get a lot of US programs. Quality stuff too
> like "Survivor"
>
>         David
>

You have my sympathy.  In my house we have nine televisions, all connected to
cable, and nothing really good to watch!  It is enough to drive you outside to
go paddling!  Hey, wait a minute.  I just realized that U.S. programming has a
good side, it encourages excursive!  :-)

Mike


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    Paddling along through fog so thick that only one's thoughts are
visible, your reverie is abruptly shattered by the ancient cry of a great
blue heron as she lifts uncertainly from the brilliant blue of a
mussel-shell beach witnessed only by the brooding, wet spruce....your
passage home seems as much back through time as it does through space.
Mark H Hunt


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From: Vicki Basham <vbasham_at_replaytv.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Standard v Raytheon VHFs
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:01:05 -0700
Hah!  The next "Survivor" takes place in Australia!

Vicki in California

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From: Whyte, David [mailto:DHW_at_Mail.amsa.gov.au]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 10:13 PM
To: 'Jack Fu'; PJ Rattenbury; paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net
Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Standard v Raytheon VHFs 


	Jack said
> Er... come to  think of it, do they have TV down in Australia?
> 
> :-)
> 
> 
	Yes but unfortunately we get a lot of US programs. Quality stuff too
like "Survivor"

	David 

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From: Jackie Fenton <jackie_at_intelenet.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Standard v Raytheon VHFs
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 13:49:58 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Vicki Basham <vbasham_at_replaytv.com>
> 
> Hah!  The next "Survivor" takes place in Australia!
> 
> Vicki in California
> 
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Whyte, David [mailto:DHW_at_Mail.amsa.gov.au]
>>
>> 	Yes but unfortunately we get a lot of US programs. Quality stuff too
>> like "Survivor"
>> 
>> 	David 


That's because the producer of the Survivor series is Mark Burnett,
the same Australian that brings you Eco Challenge (I enjoy the show, 
myself  :-)

Cheers,

Jackie
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From: Bob Denton <BDenton_at_aquagulf.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Standard v Raytheon VHFs
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:52:26 -0400
Survivor was based on a popular German series (bunch of yahoos living in a
house) which has also been copied. 


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