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From: Rick Sylvia <Rick.Sylvia_at_ferginc.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Rescue equipment doubling as seats and toys???
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:23:21 -0400
I've been watching the "pillow / multipurpose paddle float" discussion.
Great ideas for reducing bagage, but it begs a question from a novice such
as myself....  Equipment breaks, but before doing so, it often gets
stressed, weakened, then finally "gives up the ghost".  How concerned should
we be that with all the uses of a paddle float, it will be stressed but not
broke, then, during the process of using it for a self rescue, will suddenly
fail to hold proper air pressure?  It would seem to me that we'd want to be
overly cautious and protective of our safety equipment.  What do you think?
Is that a valid concern, or am I just being a momma's boy?

Rick


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From: Seng, Dave <Dave_Seng_at_health.state.ak.us>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Rescue equipment doubling as seats and toys???
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:13:39 -0800
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Sylvia [mailto:Rick.Sylvia_at_ferginc.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 4:23 AM
>  How 
> concerned should
> we be that with all the uses of a paddle float, it will be 
> stressed but not
> broke, then, during the process of using it for a self 
> rescue, will suddenly
> fail to hold proper air pressure?  It would seem to me that 
> we'd want to be
> overly cautious and protective of our safety equipment.  What 
> do you think?
> Is that a valid concern, or am I just being a momma's boy?

  Being safety conscious is a far cry from being a "momma's boy"!  You voice
a valid concern, and one which Ralph mentioned in an earlier post.  In
keeping with the philosophy of having backups for your backup one could use
a dual chambered paddlefloat like the one from Mariner (it's great! - I'll
take that .02 discount on my next kayak Matt<grin>) or carry a second
paddlefloat.  I like the dual chamber design - inflating just one side works
for me.
  The flip side of the argument could be made for regularly using your
safety equipment - that way the odds are in your favor for discovering that
a piece of gear has failed during non-emergency use rather than discovering
a catastrophic failure whilst in dire straits.

Dave Seng
Juneau, Alaska
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From: John Fereira <jaf30_at_cornell.edu>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Rescue equipment doubling as seats and toys???
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:44:29 -0400
At 08:13 AM 8/15/00 -0800, Seng, Dave wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rick Sylvia [mailto:Rick.Sylvia_at_ferginc.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 4:23 AM
  In
>keeping with the philosophy of having backups for your backup one could use
>a dual chambered paddlefloat like the one from Mariner (it's great! - I'll
>take that .02 discount on my next kayak Matt<grin>) or carry a second
>paddlefloat.  I like the dual chamber design - inflating just one side works
>for me.

I've had my dual chambered paddlefloat (a Perception, I think) for a few
years now and a few weeks ago I noticed the valve on one side leaks so all
I can really do is inflate one side. I'm going to replace it, but on the
last couple of lessons I've used it as a tool to demonstrate how much
bouyancy even a half inflated paddlefloat will provide before they attempt
their first solo paddlefloat reentry.  I'll blow up the good side and then
lean over onto it until I'm lying in the water next to the boat.  Then I'll
let go with one hand so that the shaft is sitting on the side of the boat
to show how much support the float gives.  When a student tries to do a
paddlefloat reentry for the first time and falls in, it's almost always
because they took their weight off the paddlefloat and they fall over the
other side demonstrating the infamous yellow rainbow.  Hopefully,
demonstrating how much bouyancy the float will provide, even half way
inflated, will give them confidence in the float and they'll keep their
weight on it.


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From: Dave Kruger <dkruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Rescue equipment doubling as seats and toys???
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:34:40 -0700
Rick Sylvia wrote:
> 
> I've been watching the "pillow / multipurpose paddle float" discussion.
> Great ideas for reducing bagage, but it begs a question from a novice such
> as myself....  Equipment breaks, but before doing so, it often gets
> stressed, weakened, then finally "gives up the ghost".  How concerned should
> we be that with all the uses of a paddle float, it will be stressed but not
> broke, then, during the process of using it for a self rescue, will suddenly
> fail to hold proper air pressure?  It would seem to me that we'd want to be
> overly cautious and protective of our safety equipment.  What do you think?
> Is that a valid concern, or am I just being a momma's boy?

Probably not much to worry about in that direction.  Actually, it is probably
better to have regularly tested the paddle float's ability to hold air, which
most people never do.  If you use if for a pillow nightly, you will be acutely
aware of leaks!

-- 
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
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