Not to start a Thule versus Yakima fight, but I've always wondered if Yakima round bars allow accessories like the saddles or rollers roll on the bar. It seemed to me that this would be a problem. Can you mix Thule bars and Hully Rollers? In my perfect world I want Yakima Q-towers with Thule square bars sporting Mako Saddles forward and Hully rollers aft for my Honda CRV :-) The Q-towers seem more sturdy and spread the load at the contact point a little better than the Thule towers, the square bar intuitively doesn't allow the saddles to roll on the bar when you slide the kayak up there, and the Rollers and Makos seem to be the most useful saddles for my needs. Ken Schroeter Laconia, NH Gutterless, no fac rack... *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Ken Schroeter wrote: > I've always wondered if Yakima > round bars allow accessories like the saddles or rollers roll on the bar. Some people find this a problem, and fix it by sticking a piece of sandpaper between the bar and the clamp. My Yakima saddles never rolled. > Can you mix Thule bars and Hully Rollers? Sure. Buy some Yakima Mighty Mounts when you buy your Hully Rollers. Just like the regular clamps, but rectangular. > > In my perfect world I want Yakima Q-towers with Thule square bars sporting > Mako Saddles forward and Hully rollers aft for my Honda CRV :-) The > Q-towers seem more sturdy and spread the load at the contact point a little > better than the Thule towers, the square bar intuitively doesn't allow the > saddles to roll on the bar when you slide the kayak up there, and the > Rollers and Makos seem to be the most useful saddles for my needs. Sounds good to me; do it. FWIW, I have often seen swaybacked Thule bars, but very rarely swaybacked Yakimas. YMMV Steve Cramer *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
My car has a fair slope to the roof which would cause the racks to be mounted angled forward or backward if the bars were square. I like the round ones since they let me have the rollers and saddles straight up. John Ken Schroeter wrote: > > Not to start a Thule versus Yakima fight, but I've always wondered if Yakima > round bars allow accessories like the saddles or rollers roll on the bar. > It seemed to me that this would be a problem. > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, John Waddington wrote: > Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:01:34 -0500 > From: John Waddington <waddinj_at_recorder.ca> > To: PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Square versus Round Rack Bars > > My car has a fair slope to the roof which would cause the racks to > be mounted angled forward or backward if the bars were square. I > like the round ones since they let me have the rollers and saddles > straight up. > > John my old boss was a mechanical engineer, and owned a bicycle/ski shop, that i managed for a while. due to cost, we could only carry one or the other. he chose yak's for the very reason listed above. you can align the rack with infinite variety with the round bars. canoe gunwales are usually square side to side, but are curved in relation to front & back, and with WW boats, the curve changes between each end, the yakima mounts will ajust to it. in 100,000+ miles travelling w/boats of many kinds, never a shifted load, etc. someone mention bowed bars & raingutters, etc... when we bought our subaru, it had no rain gutters, so we bought the yakima mounting plates, went to a local body shop and asked them to mount them. i told them they needed to be strongly attached. in the office, they nodded and agreed, but i could tell they didn't _really_ know what _I_ meant. so we went out to the car, so they could mark the approximate locations. we had our other car, a honda accord, with raingutters, and the rack mounted. i winked at my wife, and turned to the body shop guy and said "i want it this strong" and jumped, pulled up, and then stood up on the rack on the honda roof, one foot on each bar, and hopped up & down. at the time i weighed 210lbs [95Kg]!! so they pealed back the head liner, and mounted the brackets at the strongest points of the roof... ~$200 for a very proffessional job, no leaks, and the headliners didn't show the work done, and then i could use the same racks on all cars still. the only time a rack ever bent, was a double canoe rack on a '76 ford extra cab truck, with me standing on one bar. there was so much spread between the towers, it let the bar sag. i could stand on one bar on the honda, as the towers were much closer. NOTE yakima only rates the bar at 100lbs [~45Kg] -- so my weight was more than double it's rating... i own three yak racks. two "car sized" and one double canoe. paid full price for them, as i bought them long after being out of the bike/ski biz. worth every penny, especially with the "for sales" you see on this list. i bought my saddles from another list member 2/3 of the way acroos the country, with no problems, use them to this day!! [thanks steve!!] my 2 cents. mark -- #------canoeist[at]dotzen[dot]org------------------------------------ # mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.dotzen.org/paddler [index to club websites i administer] The Colorado Paddlers' Resource; Rocky Mountain Sea Kayak Club Rocky Mountain Canoe Club; Poudre Paddlers Canoe, Kayak & Social Club *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Ken Schroeter wrote: > > Not to start a Thule versus Yakima fight, but I've always wondered if Yakima > round bars allow accessories like the saddles or rollers roll on the bar. > It seemed to me that this would be a problem. Hmmm, the Thule vs. Yakima wars. I don't own either, although I did have Thules at one time, so I can comment without defending turf. >From the comments I have seen in earlier discussions, I believe here but possibly on other internet forums, the Yakimas do have that problem of the accessories rolling off center on the round bars. Some people report it, some don't. Some people have commented that the avoidance tactic (really tightening down the accessories hard) sometimes does damage to the connection over time. On the plus side for Yakimas, their round bars allow you to keep accessories on an exact horizontal plane when you have a car in which the roof is decidedly unflat and almost domelike in its configuration. A square bar setup, under such circumstances, would not have the accessories in absolute horizontal lineup. BTW, when considering racks, there is a world beyond Thule and Yakima. For example, Barrecrafters. Their bars happen to be square a la Thule and will accept Thule accessories, although Barrecrafters has its own array of accessories. The setups are priced less than Thule/Yakima and seem excellent in construction. Recently, I bought the Barrecrafters Unisport 1401 setup to use on rental cars. I have had limited experience with it but it will work on gutterless and gutter roofs pretty universally and is supposedly able to fit on 85 per cent of cars right out of the box, which is what I hope it will do (Thules and Yakimas have too many individualized hooks for specific cars to make them an option for the randomness of choices of rental cars). The Barrecrafters have the beauty of one large knob that tightens the bar on to each tower and that knob also cinches up the hook that grabs either a gutter or gutterless spot on your roof; i.e. it is all done in one smooth motion with no tools necessary not even a screwdriver. (there is also a backup setscrew type device that tightens the bar in place inside the tower but most of the grip is via that one knob that does that dual job). No tools and a pretty fast setup. Oh, there is a lock already built in, so no need to pay extra for that, not that any of rack locks are much deterrent. Up until now, I have been using a foam blocks setup to tie boats to rental car roofs but I have not liked the fact that they require running webbing straps through the car where in a quick stop you might get scalped. The Barrecrafters bar setup, I hope, will eliminate the need for that. Even if the company's claim is exaggerated and fits only 50 per cent of cars, I see that as an improvement in keeping my scalp. If I find a rental that it won't work on, I will just grab the foam blocks setup instead. Both setups are in a handy place with complete sets of straps and bow/stern tiedowns and would take only a few minutes to switch between. ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Yakima's latest (brand new) bar attachments for accessories will fit both Yakima and Thule bars. No need to buy the other set of Mighty Mounts now. They also are introducing a new soft saddle you might want to look at before you buy the Mako's. I've only seen the announcements, not seen the products yet. original messages------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:28:04 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Cramer <cramer_at_coe.uga.edu> Subject: On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Ken Schroeter wrote: > I've always wondered if Yakima > round bars allow accessories like the saddles or rollers roll on the bar. Some people find this a problem, and fix it by sticking a piece of sandpaper between the bar and the clamp. My Yakima saddles never rolled. > Can you mix Thule bars and Hully Rollers? Sure. Buy some Yakima Mighty Mounts when you buy your Hully Rollers. Just like the regular clamps, but rectangular. > > In my perfect world I want Yakima Q-towers with Thule square bars sporting > Mako Saddles forward and Hully rollers aft for my Honda CRV :-) The > Q-towers seem more sturdy and spread the load at the contact point a little > better than the Thule towers, the square bar intuitively doesn't allow the > saddles to roll on the bar when you slide the kayak up there, and the > Rollers and Makos seem to be the most useful saddles for my needs. Sounds good to me; do it. FWIW, I have often seen swaybacked Thule bars, but very rarely swaybacked Yakimas. YMMV Matt Broze http://www.marinerkayaks.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
The round have greater secondary stability than the square, but I would not recommend rolling with either due to the frictional coeficient of the road suface. Cheers, Richard Culpeper *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>BTW, when considering racks, there is a world beyond Thule and Yakima. >For example, Barrecrafters. I am totally non-prejudiced when it comes to racks. I use the Barrecrafters bars and towers in place of the factory rack that I took off. Attached to that I use Thule saddles in the front and Yakima rollers in the back. It's worked great for almost 3 years now. Steve *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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