Josh asked: >>>>>Matt, do you know what specific model of Snapdragon neoprene spraydeck he was using? Sure seems like it did the job well!<<<<< I talked to Rich (Snapdragon) today. He said Chris used an all neoprene deck with reinforcements (now stock) along the front coaming edges, and a Kevlar reinforced fabric as well as an implosion bar. He said they retail for $160 but that he didn't see much advantage to the Kevlar material which added $50 to the price. Matt Broze http://www.marinerkayaks.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Thanks for the info, Matt. I think I'd have to agree with Rich on the Kevlar. I'm not sure how much better it is at *abrasion* resistance than neoprene, which is what we are talking about in a skirt. I understand its use in helmets and flak-jackets, but even though are exchanges of fire going on not far from here, no one has fired at me -- yet! -- in my kayak! Best to all, Josh At 13:24 21/01/01, Matt Broze wrote: >I talked to Rich (Snapdragon) today. He said Chris used an all neoprene deck >with reinforcements (now stock) along the front coaming edges, and a Kevlar >reinforced fabric as well as an implosion bar. He said they retail for $160 >but that he didn't see much advantage to the Kevlar material which added $50 >to the price. >Matt Broze >http://www.marinerkayaks.com ============================================================================== Dr. Joshua Teitelbaum, Research Fellow Tel: [972] 3-640-6448 Moshe Dayan Center for Middle Eastern and Fax: [972] 3-641-5802 African Studies Tel Aviv University Ramat Aviv, Tel Aviv 69978 Israel E-mail:teitelba_at_post.tau.ac.il www.dayan.org ============================================================================== *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I really can't give an opinion on kevlar(haven't used it yet) though I bought one from whetstone (on sale for 85.00 US) after lending my deck and boat to a student at a rolling session in a pool. I found, while washing out the deck after the session, that he had ripped a 2" tear in the front. I don't know whether he knew it so I gave him the benefit of the doubt, but it would be diabolical not to tell me if he had known. I think that the kevlar may have resisted this tear but this is conjecture. Any thoughts? Joshua Teitelbaum wrote: > > Thanks for the info, Matt. > > I think I'd have to agree with Rich on the Kevlar. I'm not sure how much > better it is at *abrasion* resistance than neoprene, which is what we are > talking about in a skirt. I understand its use in helmets and > flak-jackets, but even though are exchanges of fire going on not far from > here, no one has fired at me -- yet! -- in my kayak! > > Best to all, > > Josh > > At 13:24 21/01/01, Matt Broze wrote: > > >I talked to Rich (Snapdragon) today. He said Chris used an all neoprene deck > >with reinforcements (now stock) along the front coaming edges, and a Kevlar > >reinforced fabric as well as an implosion bar. He said they retail for $160 > >but that he didn't see much advantage to the Kevlar material which added $50 > >to the price. > >Matt Broze > >http://www.marinerkayaks.com > -- Gabriel L Romeu http://studiofurniture.com İİİİİ furniture from the workshop http://studiofurniture.com/diary İİİİİ life as a tourist, daily journal http://studiofurniture.com/paint İİİİİ paintings, photographs, etchings, objects *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 1/21/01 10:16:22 AM, romeug_at_erols.com writes: << I found, while washing out the deck after the session, that he had ripped a 2" tear in the front . . . . I think that the kevlar may have resisted this tear but this is conjecture. Any thoughts? >> Bear in mind that many neoprene cuts are due to compression, as when performing a "T" or "X" rescue and the skirt is compressed between the boat being rescued and the cockpit coaming. I don't believe that Kevlar will protect the neoprene from this kind of compression damage. Most of the tears I see are related to the violent action that some people use in releasing a tight fitting spray skirt. I prefer to realease the skirt manualy by gripping the skirt material on a relatively flat section of the cockpit. At least this technique has worked well for me ever since I ripped a Quasar skirt to shreds during a fast-paced exit using the sewn-in pull strap. Jed *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I just uploaded a big addition to my website, "Wes Boyd's Kayak Place", that will be of interest to Great Lakes area paddlers and others: http://www2.dmci.net/wesboyd/kayak.htm The new section, "Michigan Rivers" discusses streams and rivers to canoe and kayak in Michigan, ranging from easy float trips and interesting sea kayak trips to wild whitewater, taken from two long out of print state publications, "Canoeing in Michigan" and "Canoe Trails of Michigan", but somewhat reorganized and annotated. Over 100 Michigan rivers and streams are discussed, with links to newer information where available. -- Wes *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I would just like to add my .02 cents worth regarding sprayskirts. There are certain boats that are infamous for chewing up skirts. One is the Romany. I have seen even the most robustly designed kevlar-reinforced sprayskirts absolutely shredded after just a few weeks. Be sure to get in the habit of checking out your cockpit combing. Run your fingers around the edge and make sure there isn't any loose fiberglass or sharp edges. It's a good idea to take some sandpaper and run it along the underside of the combing to smooth out corners. Hopefully this will alleviate some of the punctures people are experiencing. Mark Mastalski *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabriel L Romeu" <romeug_at_erols.com> <snip> > I think that the kevlar may have resisted this tear but this is > conjecture. Any thoughts? > Kevlar patches on skirts really do help the longevity and abrasion resistance of skirts. I have heavily used and abused a Mountain Surf kevlar rimmed skirt on my whitewater boat for over five years now, and it is still fine. The only wear and tear is on the inside front of the skirt where it grips the very front part of the cockpit rim. The best skirts have a small patch of kevlar right there on the *underside* of the skirt. Snap Dragon will do this if you special order. One other random thought about snapdragon skirts is I have good bit of skepticism over their ability to form a waterproof seal - the exposed bungie cord just doesn't create a good seal IMO. I have had several custom made snapdragon skirts for boats that I have owned, and they all leaked water. Rubber rands are the only way to get a waterproof seal, provided first that the skirt is properly cut for the cockpit rim. Most sea kayakers don't need to worry about a leaky skirt however. Only whitewater paddlers, kayak surfers, and storm paddlers need to worry about this. - Kevin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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