Arther Hebert wrote: - >The "spare paddle storage" is a paddle stored on the rear deck. >The "emergency spare paddle" for my use is a storm >paddle stored on the front deck. Gabriel wrote: - >just a storm paddle that will hopefully remain strictly as decorative value. G'Day, Thanks for the comments. Looks like I may have to relocate the "spare" paddle to the front if the quick deploy paddlebag doesn't work. Now this will probably sound dumb but is there any difference between a storm paddle and a spare other than where its located? By the way the paddle in the incident got broken while my friend was attempting something like a "headstand roll" for the first time. It broke at the blade not the shaft. He is actually a very good roller. All the best, PeterO *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
My opinion (and we all have one), The "spare paddle storage" is a paddle stored on the rear deck. The "emergency spare paddle" for my use is a storm paddle stored on the front deck. In the event of a broken paddle in heavy sea conditions I would much rather paddle back to shore with a storm paddle than half a paddle. Arthur www.lacostadelgolfo.com -----Original Message----- From: rebyl_kayak <rebyl_kayak_at_iprimus.com.au> Every spare paddle system I've seen looks as though it >would be difficult to access without assistance, while in the boat. And >there isn't much in the literature. Ironically our sea proficiency exam >insists on a spare paddle but has no requirement to demonstrate beng able to >deploy it while paddling! I even heard one suggestion that spare paddles >should be stored inside the kayak. > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Add another vote for this option. We practice retrieving and rolling with half paddles off our rear deck based on the scenario you described Peter. But I'd still rather reach for that storm paddle on the fore deck when the proverbial sh*t hits the fan. Additionally, when a paddling mate looses their paddle you can hand the storm paddle over in short time compared to retrieving, assembling and handing over your spare paddle. I'm a Euro paddler, but I *always* have a storm paddle on the foredeck. It's more valuable in my mind than that spare on the back deck. For those on the list in the Northeast US, there's an article in the March issue of Offshore Magazine about some truly whacked paddlers from North Shore Paddlers Network performing stupid kayak tricks in and around the iced-in harbors of Boston, MA. Someone really should explain about snow sports to these people! ;-) Jed In a message dated 3/17/01 10:34:57 AM, seacajun_at_gs.net writes: << My opinion (and we all have one), The "spare paddle storage" is a paddle stored on the rear deck. The "emergency spare paddle" for my use is a storm paddle stored on the front deck. In the event of a broken paddle in heavy sea conditions I would much rather paddle back to shore with a storm paddle than half a paddle. >> *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> > Thanks for the comments. Looks like I may have to relocate the "spare" > paddle to the front if the quick deploy paddlebag doesn't work. Now this > will probably sound dumb but is there any difference between a storm paddle > and a spare other than where its located? I think I would take the 'dumb' description for assuming a universal understanding of what a Storm paddle is Peter, not your question. A Storm paddle is a shortened version of of the Greenland 'stick', approximately 6 foot (1.82+ m), carved from wood with a generally slightly wider blade, palm width loom, or a direct taper with no apparent loon. It is paddled with a sliding stroke to get extension, but I would let someone like Greg Stamer describe this as he is our resident expert. Ray Killen, another fine local traditional style paddler, learned the use of the storm paddle by using it exclusively on a circumnavigation of Manhattan. I make mine out of a local cedar, simple hand tools (primarily, though I can produce one in about 1.5 hours using a power planar and finished with hand tools) and a good finish, though some do not finish it. I am currently working on some fiberglass substitutes for epoxy to maintain the incredible lightness. The storm paddle is packed both on the front deck or on the back deck. Betsie Bay, a fine producer of these paddles, equip their boats with a rear deck tie down > > By the way the paddle in the incident got broken while my friend was > attempting something like a "headstand roll" for the first time. It broke at > the blade not the shaft. He is actually a very good roller. I broke it during a lesson by powering it far too hard. It had a thin loom and I was insensitive. > -- Gabriel L Romeu http://studiofurniture.com İİİİİ furniture from the workshop http://studiofurniture.com/diary İİİİİ life as a tourist, daily journal http://studiofurniture.com/paint İİİİİ paintings, photographs, etchings, objects *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
SNIP >A Storm paddle is a shortened version of of the Greenland 'stick', >approximately 6 foot (1.82+ m), carved from wood with a generally >slightly wider blade, palm width loom, or a direct taper with no >apparent loon. It is paddled with a sliding stroke to get extension, >but I would let someone like Greg Stamer describe this SNIP Okay, Gabriel, twist my arm! ;^) Some of the responses to this thread have already posted links describing the sliding stroke, so I'll pass on the basic technique, unless anyone has questions, and just post some interesting trivia. As Gabriel describes, the sliding stroke makes a Greenland storm paddle "self-feathering" in use, in that there is no outboard blade to capture the wind. Maligiaq Padilla gives a good overview of the Greenland-method of using these paddles in John Heath's "Rolling with Maligiaq" video. They are often held very high, with the top edge of the blade tilted forward, and this tilt increases as the stroke progresses. You do not cup your hand over the end of the blade. There is enough going on with the sliding motion that I would recommend mastering this first, before exploring the "canted blade" technique. In use, it is common to tuck your torso strongly forward to dodge some of the wind. I am most familiar with the storm paddles from the Sisimiut area. There the paddles have a strong shoulder (abrupt transition from shaft to the blades), the paddle is one armspan long, and the shaft is three hand-width's wide. I have never broken a paddle in use, but I will often switch to the short storm paddle when navigating narrow mangrove creeks with a very low canopy. If you have ever been stymied by having a regular paddle strike extremely low branches you will appreciate this feature. To use your spare for a change of pace or as described above, you will not only need a quick way of retrieving it but also a way of re-stowing it without help. Fortunately, the Inuit solved this problem long ago. Bore a hole through several wood, plastic or bone beads or cylinders, and slide these onto your deck lines. This will allow you to slide a paddle under the deck lines at sea and also has the benefit of preventing the lines from freezing to the deck, and permits you to grab and lift the lines while wearing mittens. A short, loose deck line near the bow (and stern) will keep the far paddle tip under control and allow you to secure the blade closest to your body under deck lines in front (or behind) the cockpit. As a historical note, Greenland paddlers did not generally have access to both a "storm" and a regular "cruising" paddle. They used one or the other depending on the local conditions and traditions. Many folks have the idea that they looked outside and saw nasty weather and figured "I'd better use the storm paddle today" (although some areas did have dedicated deep-vee storm kayaks). Of course, this does not mean that we cannot enjoy the advantages of more than one paddle design. Greg Stamer Orlando, Florida *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
-----Original Message----- From: Peter Osman <rebyl_kayak_at_iprimus.com.au> >is there any difference between a storm paddle >and a spare other than where its located? > Peter check out these sites; These sites shows a storm paddle that can be purchased http://www.betsiebaykayak.com/Storm1.html http://home.earthlink.net/~bonito/greenland_paddle.htm These sites explains technique of paddling with a Greenland style paddle; http://www.jacksonville.net/~dldecker/fskaGreenland.htm http://www.paddlers.com/references/refgreenland.htm These sites explains the building of a Traditional Paddle; http://seacanoe.org/grnpadle.htm http://www.guillemot-kayaks.com/Building/GreenlandPaddle.html http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/cbrown/pdlemk.htm *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
PeterO <rebyl_kayak_at_iprimus.com.au> wrote: <SNIP>>>>>Every spare paddle system I've seen looks as though it would be difficult to access without assistance, while in the boat. And there isn't much in the literature. Ironically our sea proficiency exam insists on a spare paddle but has no requirement to demonstrate beng able to deploy it while paddling! I even heard one suggestion that spare paddles should be stored inside the kayak. I'm working on a rear deck bag stowage method but would be grateful for descriptions of stowage and ways of deploying the paddle.<<<<<<SNIP> Peter, check out our owners manual (about 5/8's of the way through) under "Spare Paddle Holding System" in the MANUALS section of the URL below. The system is quite secure (I have used it in surf many times) and if the paddle were to come loose it would be very evident to the paddler that it was happening. The paddle halves are easy to access by feel while sitting in the cockpit. it can hold the paddle on the sides of a deck gear load as well using small hooks to hold the diagonals together over the deck load. Matt Broze http://www.marinerkayaks.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Another thing to keep in mind is where to stow a paddle when performing an assisted rescue. You have to deal with two paddles *and* a second boat. I find that paddles get in the way, which can be especially disconcerting when you have a nice carbon paddle. What I did on my GTS was to run shockcord between the the two eyelets up near the bow. This kind of worked. I was trying to think of a solution when I had a "aha" moment while reading a post here on Paddlewise mentioning the Inuit use of bone on their deck riggings. I'll put some dowel pieces (or old Tinkertoys) through the shockcord which will provide proper lift and allow the paddles to slide temporarily under the cord. I haven't figured out a good non-invasive solution for my Necky Arluk which doesn't have eyelets up front. Possibly something attached to the running lines. One day I'll actually live somewhere where I can be near the boats and mess around with them when I want. -Patrick At 12:04 AM -0800 3/22/01, Matt Broze wrote: >PeterO <rebyl_kayak_at_iprimus.com.au> wrote: > > >I'm working on a rear deck bag stowage method but would be grateful for >descriptions of stowage and ways of deploying the paddle.<<<<<<SNIP> > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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