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From: Ashton Treadway <ashton_at_tundra.org>
subject: [Paddlewise] Seat fabrication AAARGH
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:48:10 -0400 (EDT)
Hi:

I'm midway through my "build-my-own-seat-from-minicell" project, and in
high annoyance.

I've had minimal luck sculpting the foam on the bottom of the seat to
actually *fit* my boat's hull. We followed the instructions given at the
(wonderful) kayakfit.com website, but tiny variations are making life
hellish. Is there any easy way to do this, or am I doomed to just getting
it as close as possible and coping?

We used a flex curve to measure the hull of the boat, and found that the
flex curve's plastic ends introduced problematic variations in the flex.
We then tried solder, with the same problem; you just can't get the bloody
thing to actually *form to the hull* without it "rebounding" a bit when
you take it off. Subsequently, you wind up with variance in your cardboard
templates.

What I'd dearly love to be able to do would be put some sort of liquid
foam down that'd actually form to the hull, but I think that's out of
range. :>

Basically, I'll trim a little, and discover that not only have I not
corrected the previous poor fit, but introduced a new anomaly.

Thanks for any help/advice,

-ashton

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From: Looze, John & Donna <looze_at_gemstate.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Seat fabrication AAARGH
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:34:54 -0600
> I'm midway through my "build-my-own-seat-from-minicell" project, and in
> high annoyance.>

My Method;

Once the foam is in the rough shape of the bottom, tape 80 or 50 grit
sandpaper to the bottom.  Slide foam over sandpaper a couple of times.  Look
at the bottom of foam.  If it has only been sanded in a one or two spots,
scrape them with a hacksaw blade to take those areas down a little faster.
Repeat until the paper is sanding over the whole bottom of the foam. Which,
obviously, means the foam is now conforming to the bottom.
    Before applying, and after removing the sand paper, while the foam is on
the bottom exert firm but light pressure.  Try to slide stiff but flexible
object, eg, the hacksaw blade, underneath the foam.  That will also help
give you a feel for the fit.
JKL



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From: Gabriel L Romeu <romeug_at_erols.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Seat fabrication AAARGH
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 20:53:48 -0400
I know that someone gave really good advice on getting that contour with
sand paper adhered to the hull of the boat, I have another possible
try.  powder the bottom with chalk (blue for chalk lines, red and yellow
are permanent), and lay the foam on there gently to indicate sanding
areas.
Shawn Baker has an excellent method of making a fiberglass seat
referenced on my outfitting site:

http://www.studiofurniture.com/diary/kayak/outfit/outfit.html

there is also a link to Ken's site

Ashton Treadway wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> 
> I'm midway through my "build-my-own-seat-from-minicell" project, and in
> high annoyance.
> 
> I've had minimal luck sculpting the foam on the bottom of the seat to
> actually *fit* my boat's hull. We followed the instructions given at the
> (wonderful) kayakfit.com website, but tiny variations are making life
> hellish. Is there any easy way to do this, or am I doomed to just getting
> it as close as possible and coping?
> 
> We used a flex curve to measure the hull of the boat, and found that the
> flex curve's plastic ends introduced problematic variations in the flex.
> We then tried solder, with the same problem; you just can't get the bloody
> thing to actually *form to the hull* without it "rebounding" a bit when
> you take it off. Subsequently, you wind up with variance in your cardboard
> templates.
> 
> What I'd dearly love to be able to do would be put some sort of liquid
> foam down that'd actually form to the hull, but I think that's out of
> range. :>
> 
> Basically, I'll trim a little, and discover that not only have I not
> corrected the previous poor fit, but introduced a new anomaly.
> 
> Thanks for any help/advice,
> 
> -ashton


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¤   Gabriel L Romeu  
¤                                                    
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From: Bob Denton <gulfstream_at_flinet.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Seat fabrication AAARGH
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:55:41 -0400
I initially made a seat out of minicell layered with neoprene (for wear
resistance) but I was never very happy with it. I eventually purchased a
foam seat made by Valley for their plastic boats. It comes with "ears" which
I removed. The seat is pre-shaped and I wedge it between the hip pads and it
stays perfectly. I've used it for 3 years or so and it is still going
strong.

I believe it runs around $50 and no muss, no fuss heh heh....

cya


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From: Gabriel L Romeu <romeug_at_erols.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Seat fabrication AAARGH
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:00:09 -0400
bit cruel, eh Bob?

Bob Denton wrote:

I eventually purchased a
> foam seat made by Valley for their plastic boats. It comes with "ears" which
> I removed. 

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