Ken wrote: <snip> >>> Eddyline Falcon 16: <<< <another snip> >>>I devised my own method for sealing the hatches, and they were nearly 100% watertight.<<< How did you do this? I've got an Eddyline Calypso with leaky hatches, where the hatchcover is like a piece of from the deck with a gasket glued to the underside. The gasket simply presses against a groove in the deck and more or less relies on pressure for a tight seal (I've added compression straps to the outside that increase the pressure, but it still leaks (just not quite as much)). It sort of looks like (hopefully my ascii sketch will come though OK): _____________ |____| _________ \________/ Did your Falcon use this arrangement? If so, I'd be very interested to know how you solved the leaking! Evan Woodinville, WA. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Most extensive list of kayak reviews I've seen is at http://www.paddling.net/Reviews/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Kathea and Ken" To: "paddlewise" Subject: [Paddlewise] subjective evaluation of kayaks Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 20:05:04 -0700 Is there a place in Paddlewise where people have been evaluating or commenting upon the performance of kayaks they have been using? Or, if one wants to discuss a kayak, do you simply post it under the name of the kayak, and post it along with everything else that gets posted? Ken Rasmussen www.kayakfit.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
One of the local outfitters held a "You can Paddle" demo yesterday in St. Louis. I have no affiliation with the outfitter or the event. I don't know what the official tally was but I would guess several hundred turned out. In this land of scenic rivers where aluminum canoes are king, sea kayaks were being demoed about 5 - 1 over canoes and around 4 to 1 over whitewater kayaks. Quite a few canoers were trying out sea kayaks and a lot of never ever's also in attendance. A very gratifying number of younger paddlers and potential paddlers attended. A few went over, but no great excitement and all were handled quickly and safely. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. ---Mark Twain ICQ#111665477 *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
VERY good idea! Perhaps the reviewer could be accounted for by including, in the format, some simple info that would identify the reviewer's ability/experience level. Include years of paddling, how long this particular boat has been paddled, compare it to other specific boats, etc. The daunting question is - Who decides the criteria????? Jim Tibensky _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
The difference between Paddlewise and Seakayaker reviews is that we know everyone and everyone's opinions are valued regardless of their paddling experience. The participation in this group is a type of BS filter. I know that a boat that Sandy loves may not ring Doug's chimes.. By contextualizing the subjective aspects of a review, it may make the information more useful to those who are looking for a new boat, or just a direction to start looking in. When I began the quest for my first glass boat, I never would have considered a Nordkaap..too unstable, etc, etc, but when I did a test paddle, just to see if I could avoid getting wet, I had no problem with the boat. If a relative beginner had told me he had purchased a Nordkapp and he was happy, I would have had a more open mind. Basically, if we know who the paddler is, how they are built, age and "intensity" as well as intent, we could go a long way towards interpreting subjective likes and dislikes about a boat. What is also useful are other boats they may have owned or paddled extensively, as comparisons. This sort of harks back to my graduate days in Psycho-Geography where I was involved in developing a metaphoric language to describe non-verbal environmental experience, using automobiles as a metaphoric system. An example may be to try to describe your current boat in terms of a dessert. I.e. my boat is like an Italian lemon sorbet while the K-light is more like a fudge brownie. cya *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Evan Dallas wrote: > > Ken wrote (DK's paraphrase): > > > On my Eddyline Falcon 16 I devised my own method for sealing the hatches, > > and they were nearly 100% watertight. > How did you do this? I've got an Eddyline Calypso with leaky hatches, where the > hatchcover is like a piece of from the deck with a gasket glued to the > underside. The gasket simply presses against a groove in the deck and more or > less relies on pressure for a tight seal (I've added compression straps to the > outside that increase the pressure, but it still leaks (just not quite as > much)). It sort of looks like (hopefully my ascii sketch will come though OK): > > _____________ > |____| _________ > \________/ > > Did your Falcon use this arrangement? This is standard for many Eddyline boats. I have four hatches like this and they are fine. Couple things to check: 1. Look for signs that the hatch proper is hitting the hull (wear areas), which would mean the gasket is not under compression there. Solution: carefully abrade away the high spots -- should not take more than an eighth of an inch of material (max!). 2. Renew the gasket, which gets compressed over time. You must get neoprene for this. Eddyline should be able to sell you some. If it still leaks, add another layer of gasket material on top of the first. 3. Store the hatches _unlatched_ so the gasket does not compress during storage. Only keep the hatches latched when in use or in transit on your vehicle. BTW, this seal system relies on the hatch retaining a shape that mimics the hull recess. Adding extra compression straps may distort the hatch and actually make the problem worse. Hull/hatch distortion is the weak point for this system, and if you thrash in surf or flop yourself onto the deck (during self rescue, for example), expect some minor leakage ... a cup or so at the most. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Dear Evan: If you look under "photos" in our website you can see a photograph of the toggles I used to press the hatch down. The website is at www.kayakfit.com . I used two gaskets, one fit around the edge of the cutout in the deck, and the other was on the hatch cover. When the two were fit together the edge from one tended to dig into the other. With the hatch in place on the deck it tended to stand a little above the surrounding deck. By forcing it down and rotating the toggles in to secure it, the hatch was forced down fairly uniformly. The problem with strap systems is that it is possible to flex the deck and/or hatch, thereby creating openings. Straps work when the deck and hatch don't flex before the gasket material is forced into a sealing position. If the deck and hatch are light, straps may not be successful. best wishes, Ken Rasmussen p.s. I have been able to find leaks by removing a screw and blowing air into the enclosed space. By spraying soapy water at bulkheads, deck/hull seams, the end-pour area, hatches, and bulkheads you can usually determine where the leakage is. ----- Original Message ----- From: Evan Dallas <Evan_Dallas_at_notes.ntrs.com> To: <paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net> Cc: <kayakfit_at_fidalgo.net> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 12:11 PM Subject: subjective evaluation of kayaks > > > Ken wrote: > <snip> > >>> Eddyline Falcon 16: <<< > <another snip> > >>>I devised my own method for sealing the hatches, and they were > nearly 100% watertight.<<< > > How did you do this? I've got an Eddyline Calypso with leaky hatches, where the > hatchcover is like a piece of from the deck with a gasket glued to the > underside. The gasket simply presses against a groove in the deck and more or > less relies on pressure for a tight seal (I've added compression straps to the > outside that increase the pressure, but it still leaks (just not quite as > much)). It sort of looks like (hopefully my ascii sketch will come though OK): > > _____________ > |____| _________ > \________/ > > Did your Falcon use this arrangement? If so, I'd be very interested to know how > you solved the leaking! > > Evan > Woodinville, WA. > > > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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