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From: Joe Federici <fedo_at_hudsonet.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] non-stick cook set question
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:51:39 -0700
It's that time of the year when most outdoor stores are having sales 
and after a white water paddling session filled with weekend car 
camping trips I'd like to scale down on my Coleman stove and cooking 
gear. No argument it's nice to have the double burners and large pots 
but I find we end up going out for dinner 1/2 the time and I'm only 
using it for breakfast and hot water.
With this in mind I'm looking into getting pac size cook set. Looking 
into it I noticed a few companies are offering nonstick pans and I'm 
wondering how they hold held up.  I also do some paddling in and 
around salt water. The set I was thinking about is the MSR Blacklite 
cook set.

thanks

JFF
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From: Patrick Maun <patrick_at_patrickmaun.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] non-stick cook set question
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:50:48 +0200
At 11:51 AM -0700 10/24/01, Joe Federici wrote:
>[SNIP]
>With this in mind I'm looking into getting pac size cook set. 
>Looking into it I noticed a few companies are offering nonstick pans 
>and I'm wondering how they hold held up.  I also do some paddling in 
>and around salt water. The set I was thinking about is the MSR 
>Blacklite cook set.


I have a set of non-stick from Trangia and love them. I wouldn't use 
anything else now. I've had mine for several years and they show 
almost no signs of wear or tear. Just take care of them and they'll 
take care of you. I love being able to really cook/burn some refried 
beans and have everything just fall right out. I haven't used a 
souring pad in years.

-Patrick
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From: Joe Federici <fedo_at_hudsonet.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] non-stick/trangia
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:13:20 -0700
Patrick-

While looking into stoves I saw that Optimus makes an adaptor for the 
NOVA stove that allows the burner to be fitted into a Trangia 
windshields and pots.


JFF


>[SNIP]
>With this in mind I'm looking into getting pac size cook set. 
>Looking into it I noticed a few companies are offering nonstick pans 
>and I'm wondering how they hold held up.  I also do some paddling in 
>and around salt water. The set I was thinking about is the MSR 
>Blacklite cook set.


I have a set of non-stick from Trangia and love them. I wouldn't use 
anything else now. I've had mine for several years and they show 
almost no signs of wear or tear. Just take care of them and they'll 
take care of you. I love being able to really cook/burn some refried 
beans and have everything just fall right out. I haven't used a 
souring pad in years.

-Patrick
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From: Warwick Carter <wdctr_at_hotmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] non-stick cook set question
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:48:12 +0200
Personaly I am not a big fan of non stick camp ware.  I have a one time non
stick frypan that is now a stick pan after rough treatment around camp.
Another concern is that non stick coatings esp. teflon based coatings have
been found to break down and release noxious bits and pieces when
overheated.  I don't know how your camp cooking skills are but I find that
overheating a pan is not uncommon, so on my camp gear I steer clear of it.

Best Regards,

Warwick Carter


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From: Patrick Maun <patrick_at_patrickmaun.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] non-stick cook set question
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:10:22 +0200
Interesting results. All who have camped with me can attest to the 
fact that I enjoy making elaborate, and thus often rough on the 
cookware, meals. I do tend to take really good care of the cooking 
surfaces of the pots and pan though. I put a plastic bag between the 
surfaces of the nested pots, and everything that is nested inside is 
either plastic, or covered in plastic.

My main stove is also a Trangia, which I am sure is not as hot as 
some other stoves, so possibly your stove is hotter and may cause the 
teflon breakdown.

-Patrick


At 7:48 PM +0200 10/25/01, Warwick Carter wrote:
>Personaly I am not a big fan of non stick camp ware.  I have a one time non
>stick frypan that is now a stick pan after rough treatment around camp.
>Another concern is that non stick coatings esp. teflon based coatings have
>been found to break down and release noxious bits and pieces when
>overheated.  I don't know how your camp cooking skills are but I find that
>overheating a pan is not uncommon, so on my camp gear I steer clear of it.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Warwick Carter
>
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From: Dave Kruger <dkruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] non-stick cook set question
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:47:26 -0800
Warwick Carter wrote:

> Personaly I am not a big fan of non stick camp ware.  I have a one time non
> stick frypan that is now a stick pan after rough treatment around camp.
> Another concern is that non stick coatings esp. teflon based coatings have
> been found to break down and release noxious bits and pieces when
> overheated.  I don't know how your camp cooking skills are but I find that
> overheating a pan is not uncommon, so on my camp gear I steer clear of it.

I've had Warwick's difficulty with lightweight, backpacker-style
non-stick-coated cookware, and had discarded the notion of using the stuff
until ... I happened onto the inexpensive, but __heavyweight__ stuff at
discount stores (Fred Meyer, out here, is a good source).

What I do is select a deep 12-inch Teflon-coated aluminum fry pan, drill out
the rivets attaching the handle, and replace them with SS bolts and brass wing
nuts.  This makes for easy packing.  Cost:  under 20 bucks, all up.

The critical feature is to use heavyweight pans, because they are not subject
to the localized overheating that degrades the coating.  I know they get hot,
'cause I do stir fry in 'em.

-- 
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
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