Mary said: <snip> offshore buoys indicated 50 to 55 foot seas with some rogue waves as tall as 10 story buildings. I knew we had big seas during these events but 50 feet! They said for the past 30 years the trend has been for more intense storms with higher waves. ------------ You see, there is a God! :-) <snip> So is anyone interested in crossing the Columbia bar in a sea kayak? It would make a good feature on rescues for Sea Kayaker magazine -- MZ ------------ When I headed to the CR Bar last May, I was disappointed with how calm it was over the actual bar (the breakwater is still a lot of fun, and dangerous, in any conditions). My plan was to head back in the winter, armed with the information gained during the calmer reconnoiter. I'm not heading back without a $1000.00 dry suite, however. I looked up some of the surf cams along the Oregon coast this past November. My heart was pounding just viewing the images. Huge waves reared up at the top off the screen. Then I realized I was still viewing the nearshore breakers. My goodness, you folks who live on the Oregon Coast, such as in Cannon Beach...how do you get any sleep at night with the pounding surf? As far as big waves, National Geographic reported in a recent article that the bar can reach (historically) 90 feet on big ebbs opposing huge rogue waves. Now that would be a sight. As for 50 foot waves, that sound about normal for winter Alaskan offshore waters :-) Up here in Canada, our west coast Coasties and Fisheries departments use really large vessels for patrolling winter waters, especially up near the Charlottes which can hit 30 meters. Even though canada probably uses bigger vessels than their American brethren, when it comes to delicate deck removal from offshore ships, we still call up the Americans for their superior rescue helicopters. Doug Lloyd Victoria, BC *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
From: "Doug Lloyd" <dougl_at_islandnet.com> > when it comes to delicate deck removal from > offshore ships, we still call up the Americans for their superior rescue > helicopters. A wag in a local newspaper asked how Canada will contribute to bringing down the Taliban. Ans: Give the Taliban our rescue helicopters. Mike PS - I wish I was making this up. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Doug asks: >> So is anyone interested in crossing the Columbia bar in a sea kayak? sure. next time you come down give me some notice so I join you and show you a few of my favorite spots! My brother lives near the beach at Seaside, 10 miles N of Cannon Beach. He really enjoys emailing me the local conditions, knowing how much I like to *play* in the rough stuff! Seaside has a pretty cool point break that's fun to watch go off when it's BIG. It's south of town. Steve *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Count me in for that! But give me some advance warning so I can retrieve my boat from Seattle. Perhaps I'll also drag Doug down a whitewater river, to show how much more fun storms can be (with all that rain). Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Scherrer" <Flatpick_at_teleport.com> To: "Doug Lloyd" <dougl_at_islandnet.com>; <PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Subject: Recent Pacific Storms > Doug asks: > >> So is anyone interested in > crossing the Columbia bar in a sea kayak? > > sure. > > next time you come down give me some notice so I join you and show you a few > of my favorite spots! > > My brother lives near the beach at Seaside, 10 miles N of Cannon Beach. He > really enjoys emailing me the local conditions, knowing how much I like to > *play* in the rough stuff! Seaside has a pretty cool point break that's fun > to watch go off when it's BIG. It's south of town. > > Steve > > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed > here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire > responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. > Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net > Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 22:51 11/12/01, Doug Lloyd wrote: >I looked up some of >the surf cams along the Oregon coast this past November. My heart was >pounding just viewing the images. Huge waves reared up at the top off >the screen. Doug, how about sharing some of those URLs for the Oregon surf cams, for those of us too lazy to use a search engine? Josh Ra`anana, Israel ============================================================================== Dr. Joshua Teitelbaum, Research Fellow Tel: [972] 3-640-6448 Moshe Dayan Center for Middle Eastern and Fax: [972] 3-641-5802 African Studies Tel Aviv University Ramat Aviv, Tel Aviv 69978 Israel E-mail:teitelba_at_post.tau.ac.il www.dayan.org ============================================================================== *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Here is a good site to bookmark. It loads reasonably fast. It has a few of the better Oregon surf cams on the menu: <http://www.kgw.com/livecams/kgwskycams_hood_river.html> There was some good shots from Brandon today at 65 knots. I have many others, including real-time cams from California, Australia, Japan, etc. I like to keep track of weather systems, though mostly in the Pacific Northwest -- and the cams give the pursuite a bit of visual appeal. I'll let you know if I'm down your way, Steve. I did get around to the break off Seaside last May, but didn't want to infringe on the local surfs. I had enough trouble not slamming into the surfers south of Tillamooke Head (forgve my late nght spelling). I think it was Ecola Bay. There was lots of great surf there. Sure spent a lot of time upside down, trying to get back up before being slammed against the rocks in the rock gardens between the bay and Cannon Beach. It was really wierd being in surf rolling through miles of rock pillars. I got a good sense of what the Tsunami Rangers must experience if the seascape is similar in Northern California. So sorry if I was abit negative last post regarding paddlers and overuse. It is a bit of a concern. Sea Kayaker Mag has done a bit of journalistic annunciation of the problems, so at least folks are thinking about the issues. Like one of the SK articles said, "expectations" need to be modified for those who have been paddling for a long time in the sport. Goodnight. Doug Lloyd > > > > Doug, how about sharing some of those URLs for the Oregon surf cams, for > > those of us too lazy to use a search engine? > > this'll get you going. I can zap you some others from work. www.oregonsurfpage.com www.oregonsurfcheck.com http://nwprtsrf.oce.orst.edu:8080/nwprtsrf/surf.html steve *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I said: Here is a good site to bookmark. It loads reasonably fast. It has a few of the better Oregon surf cams on the menu: <http://www.kgw.com/livecams/kgwskycams_hood_river.html> There was some good shots from Brandon today at 65 knots. <snip> ------------- I think that's Bandon, not Brandon. Sorry. Was a real fierce one when the low finally hit here today. The ferry from Vancouver Island to the Mainland took 8 hrs instead of 1.5, while the ferry tried to negotiate the wind and waves. The captain finally had to ballast all the heavier trucks to one side of the Super-ferry, in order to crawl into Horsehoe Bay. What a day. My buddies were out surfing. One of them got smacked bad by driftwood. I had to work, though the Isobar gradient sent most of the sustained stuff to the east side of Georgia Strait. Anyone from Seattle make it out paddling in the wind, or ya' all out on the rivers being more normal like Kevin? Doug Lloyd *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Well you need to get your Tsunami Ranger hockey gear out because Sunday they are predicting a 850 mmb low in your area. Should be a dandy wind event. I was wondering about Hecate Strait during these events isn't the strait fairly shallow? So those huge waves must be breaking? I have paddled in the northern part of Vancouver Island and my imagination was captured by the Haida Gwaii and some of the other tribes that lived around those waters. They used to make crossings of Hecate Strait in their war canoes. They must have been awesome seaman to cross those treacherous waters, and terrifying as they raided their neighbors. I have a tough choice should I do the Columbia Bar on Sunday or pack for my trip to Baja. Think I will do the latter (smile)... have fun out there! -- MZ visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com Was a real fierce one when the low finally hit here today. The ferry from Vancouver Island to the Mainland took 8 hrs instead of 1.5, while the ferry tried to negotiate the wind and waves. The captain finally had to ballast all the heavier trucks to one side of the Super-ferry, in order to crawl into Horsehoe Bay. What a day. My buddies were out surfing. One of them got smacked bad by driftwood. I had to work, though the Isobar gradient sent most of the sustained stuff to the east side of Georgia Strait. Anyone from Seattle make it out paddling in the wind, or ya' all out on the rivers being more normal like Kevin? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I was at Pacific Beach, WA yesterday doing a little kayak-surfing with friends George G. and Murray H. The waves start breaking so far out there, you can pretty much pick your comfort spot as they reform and break again. The outside break was so far offshore as to be out of sight. Where I was, they were breaking about waist to shoulder with the occasional head high or better wave. The waves were about 6 seconds apart and had no discernable sets. During the middle of the day (high tide) it was blowing almost straight offshore at about 20kn+ (?). In the soup zone, not only the spray was being blown back off the tops of waves, big globs of froth and foam flying though the air. It looked pretty cool. I took a couple quick photos with a disposable but it was probably too dark. I would have liked to take more but the wave interval was so short, I didn't have time to futz around with the camera. I'll post if they come out. Surprisingly, the strong offshores evened out the storm-blown slop upon occasion and everyone got a couple really good rides. Often you'd start out on an ugly foam pile and be able to surf over to a clean shoulder when it reformed and end up riding 20 or 30 seconds. However, we were all in multi-finned surfkayaks. A seakayak would have been in trouble due to the lack of spacing between individual waves, probably lots of bongo slides and not much else. All in all, it wasn't the clean break that I've gotten used to lately but 3' - 6' waves coming from various directions in a tippy, hard railed surfboat made for geat rough water practice. I probably did 20 rolls of various types, including a couple classic 'unintendos'. Digging Razor Clams in rain and gale force winds in the dark was much more difficult... Best, Thomas -----Original Message----- From: owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net]On Behalf Of Doug Lloyd Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 1:35 AM To: PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Subject: Recent Pacific Storms I said: Here is a good site to bookmark. It loads reasonably fast. It has a few of the better Oregon surf cams on the menu: <http://www.kgw.com/livecams/kgwskycams_hood_river.html> There was some good shots from Brandon today at 65 knots. <snip> ------------- I think that's Bandon, not Brandon. Sorry. Was a real fierce one when the low finally hit here today. The ferry from Vancouver Island to the Mainland took 8 hrs instead of 1.5, while the ferry tried to negotiate the wind and waves. The captain finally had to ballast all the heavier trucks to one side of the Super-ferry, in order to crawl into Horsehoe Bay. What a day. My buddies were out surfing. One of them got smacked bad by driftwood. I had to work, though the Isobar gradient sent most of the sustained stuff to the east side of Georgia Strait. Anyone from Seattle make it out paddling in the wind, or ya' all out on the rivers being more normal like Kevin? Doug Lloyd *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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