Hey all. Thank you for all the responses to my VHF/PDF mounting query. I went out for a solo evening/night paddle on Sunday after the hockey game (Yeah Canada!!!) and tried out one of the methods recommended by the group. Jim has the same PFD as I do and I used his method of running the antennae up one of the shoulder loops and securing the body of the radio with a strap (I used a Velcro watchband that I had kicking around). This held the radio firmly in place and addressed my main concern of having the radio on my person in the unlikely event of getting separated from the boat. I am pleased with the set-up, thank you. Seeing as how my first question was such a blinding success I thought I would try the group out on another one. This may have already been covered in the past so please excuse my redundancy if that is the case. What I was wondering is if anybody else experiences dizziness after rolling? I find that I get really disoriented after a couple of rolls to the point that I can^Òt walk straight for about five minutes after getting out of my boat. I imagine that it might have something to do with the eustation tubes but I also experience this when I wear a diving mask and thereby eliminate the water entering my sinuses. Does anyone know of a way to prevent this from occurring ^Ö besides stop sticking your head under water? BTW ^Ö I don^Òt get this problem when scuba diving. Thanks Steve Davis Victoria BC _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Steve said - ". I went out for a solo evening/night paddle on Sunday after the hockey game ...I was wondering is if anybody else experiences dizziness after rolling" I felt a little dizzy after the Can/USA hockey game as well. No wait that was due to another liquid. Seriously, it could be water entering your ears and causing an inner ear problem. When you dive do you wear a dive cap that keeps water out of your ears? Try wearing it when you roll. I've been rolling all winter long wearing one of those stupid Whites kayak caps (what a waste) Of all the purchases I've made since entering this sport that was the dumbest. It came with a dinky buckle that was impossible to do up with cold hands. I replaced it with a Velcro strap. But worst of all it lets the cold water in and traps it right against your ears. I've been thinking of buying a real divers neoprene baklava. Gordin Warner Victoria *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
----- Original Message ----- From: "gordin warner" <hmgwarner_at_shaw.ca> To: "steve davis" <landelusa_at_hotmail.com>; <PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] VHF mounting follow-up / Dizziness? > Seriously, it could be water entering your ears and causing an inner ear > problem. When you dive do you wear a dive cap that keeps water out of your > ears? Try wearing it when you roll. I often surf my kayak in relatively cold water, which can result in a lot of cold water entering my ears. To combat this problem, I wear ear plugs, not to prevent dizziness but for surfers ear. The plugs prevent water from entering my ears and still allow me to hear. I purchased my ear plugs from a dive shop. If the dizziness is caused by cold water entering the ears, this should solve the problem. Craig *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Gordin said: <snip> I've been rolling all winter long wearing one of those stupid Whites kayak caps (what a waste). I've been thinking of buying a real divers neoprene baklava. <snip> Gordin, rolling all winter long? You really need to work on staying upright then, my good man. Maybe too much malt, eh? Seriously, the cap isn't a waste of time. It simply isn't meant to do what you are asking it to do. As a helmet liner, its great, because the helmet keeps the neo close to your ear, preventing "cupping" of the water. Like you say, the divers thicker baklava, being a more substantial shape retainer (and much longer) will not ship water. It is also less comfortable and presents greater hearing interference for those wave trains bearing down behind you. To be fair to Whites, all the companies that manufacture thinner scull caps (Patagonia, Warmer's, Whites., etc.) all suffer similar problems. I have a couple of different ones, and one of them does come with a velcro chin strap. It works better than a clip based retainer, but the wider chin strap cuts into one's neck more often (chaffing). How 'bout some ear muffs over your cap? Real Canadian, eh? Doug Lloyd (who is normally an inverted semi-amphibious biped this time of year too) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Doug said,..."but the wider chin strap cuts into one's neck more often (chaffing)." I"d forgotten how the original strap would rub until your neck was raw. I solved the chaffing problem by sewing on a wide ban of neoprene and adding the Velcro only to the end. My point about Whites is simply this. Why should customers be doing the research and development? Someone in the company should have realized the shortcomings of the cap design. Just as someone should have noticed the problem with the zipper in the back of their earlier drysuits. The wearer cannot tell if it's seated all the way to the end. Simply reversing the zip solved that problem in later models, but to late for those who purchased early. Last week I was at Ocean River Sports asking about dry suits (what size would I need?) and the salesman took me over and introduced me to the owner of Whites. Cool - I figured I'd get some straight answers. I'm about 6'1" tall and 220 pounds. Right off he told me I'd need an xxl. I've never wore an xxl in my life but ok, I thought I'd hear him out. Before I could ask any questions he told me that I'd really benefit from a custom fit. Wow that's going from $538 (Whites web site price) to over $1500 in mere minutes. Now was that experience about customer service or maximizing the profit margin? In Whites defense I had a long look at their new dry suit. It's got some great features and looks good. Yet I'm wondering why the front zipper does not extend another three to four inches lower so as to provide a relief zip function. I think it's the R&D thing again. I actively support local business, but the jury is out on Whites. Because of the generosity of the women in my life I am also in the market for a dry suit. (They gave me the money) So I'm watching your ultimate dry suit thread closely. Check out MEC Product # 1906361 it's a Kokatat nylon meridian with an overskirt for $540 Canadian. Gordin Warner *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
gordin warner wrote: > <snip> > > My point about Whites is simply this. Why should customers be doing the > research and development? <snip> Whites has always been a bit behind on the R&R stuff; ever since I've lived in Victoria, anyway. Brooks certainly has a better budget or attitude, or something toward R&R. Ultimately, I always buy a product based on factors that include individual characteristics, rather than name and merely reputation. And look at Lotus (Patagonia). Very slow R&R these days on PFD's. And then what about Kokatat, for example? They have a great reputation, but I know folks who have blown out the stitching on their drysuits, for example. I do agree with you that some companies, such as Whites, don't cater as well to sea kayakers as we want them to, but hey, its all economics. Think how much the diving industry is worth. We are merely small change. Sometimes though, a big company that only cares about paddlers in a small way, can still be beneficial. For example, O'Neil. They supply apparel to the board surf crowd in the millions. But, their paddling jacket is a bargain because it is well made, durable, quality controlled (a factory norm), and super cheap compared to smaller businesses. Why? Because they get hugely good deals on raw product. All things are not equal. Buyer beware. Do your research well. I do disagree with you on one point. You said: "Now was that experience about customer service or maximizing the profit margin?" Custom work is always expensive. My Whites wet suit retails for $150. It was $600 in a custom version. It was worth every penny to me however. And, Whites has way more intermediate sizing than most companies. As for cheaper alternatives, try George's Kayak Academy website. Good deals galore: <http://www.kayakacademy.com/> Doug (part of the expanding Victoria chapter of Paddlewise) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Gordin said -"In Whites defence I had a long look at their new dry suit. It's got some great features and looks good. Yet I'm wondering why the front zipper does not extend another three to four inches lower so as to provide a relief zip function. I think it's the R&D thing again." I guess that depends on who did the research I guess. Mine seems to work fine :) - kidding - I have the same issue with my suit. I was in Robinsons (outdoor gear store) yesterday and there was a notice posted on their bulletin board for a used Kokatat Goretex drysuit for sale (no model name mentioned) – like new condition – large size - $400 CDN (that’s about $14 US). I called as soon as I got back to the office but the suit had sold already. Timing, timing, timing... It is way too nice out there today. Can any of the Victoria chapter take off early for a lap around Trial Island? Say 3:00ish? Steve _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Steve said...."It is way too nice out there today. Can any of the Victoria chapter take off early for a lap around Trial Island? Say 3:00ish?" Can't do Trial today, but will be only a few blocks away around 3 so I'll try to swing by and introduce myself. Gordin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I experienced dizziness and nausea after practicing rolls for the 1st time this weekend. Luckily, I was practicing very near a protected beach so I was able to sit down on the sand and recover while the nausea passed. The water was about 55 degrees F (Pacific Ocean off So. California). I couldn't figure out what was going on, so these postings have been very timely in solving the mystery! Regards, Mike In a message dated 2/26/02 4:24:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, hmgwarner_at_shaw.ca writes: > Steve said - ". I went out for a solo evening/night paddle on Sunday after > the hockey game ...I was > wondering is if anybody else experiences dizziness after rolling" > > Seriously, it could be water entering your ears and causing an inner ear > problem. When you dive do you wear a dive cap that keeps water out of your > ears? Try wearing it when you roll. I've been rolling all winter long > wearing one of those stupid Whites kayak caps (what a waste) Of all the > purchases I've made since entering this sport that was the dumbest. It came > with a dinky buckle that was impossible to do up with cold hands. I > replaced it with a Velcro strap. But worst of all it lets the cold water in > and traps it right against your ears. > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Has water quality been ruled out in all of these cases of rolling and nausea/dizziness, especially near areas with heavy run-off/pollution? The few times I experience nausea while rolling or afterward, water quality is the primary suspect. Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: <MJKory_at_aol.com> To: <PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 2:29 AM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] VHF mounting follow-up / Dizziness? > I experienced dizziness and nausea after practicing rolls for the 1st time > this weekend. Luckily, I was practicing very near a protected beach so I was > able to sit down on the sand and recover while the nausea passed. The water > was about 55 degrees F (Pacific Ocean off So. California). I couldn't figure > out what was going on, so these postings have been very timely in solving the > mystery! Regards, Mike snip *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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