Hello, I'm new to the list. I was wondering if anyone knows of a reliable and affordable collapsible water carrier in the 2-5 gallon range. I'm considering a Baja trip next month. Thanx Rob Baran Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>I was wondering if anyone knows of a reliable and affordable collapsible >water carrier in the 2-5 gallon range. >Rob Baran Do you get wine in cardboard boxes in the States (I can't remember as we didn't buy any last year). If so and especially if they have the rubber "lift-up" taps, use them, they carry 3 or 4 litres. To fill, pull the rubber tap off with your teeth (I find it easier that way). Make up nylon bags to put them in, to save them from abrasion. As they will conform to any shape they are the most effective way of carrying water, will fit where nothing else will. Alex . . *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 10:56 21/03/2002 -0800, Rob Baran wrote: >Hello, I'm new to the list. I was wondering if anyone knows of a reliable >and affordable collapsible water carrier in the 2-5 gallon range. I'm >considering a Baja trip next month. >Thanx >Rob Baran I use a "Dromedary" bag by MSR (this is in Scotland - I don't know whether they are available in the US). It's heavy duty cordura-type material with a food-grade polythene lining, has eyelets and webbing to allow it to be tied down, a large screwcap with a pouring nozzle, and seems very robust and reliable. It was expensive,though: the equivalent of about $45, for the largest size which takes 10 litres (a little over 2 gallons - "imperial" gallons, that is - good grief, perhaps they should be called "post-imperial" gallons :-) So that probably does not qualify as affordable, especially as you are going to need more than one to carry 4 -5 gallons. I've also used the "Platypus" range of water bottles, which have proved very tough and quite long-lasting, and can be had at fairly reasonable cost. I'm not sure whether they come any bigger than 2 litres, though. The cheapest option I have tried is empty ( or rather emptied ;-) ) bladders from wine boxes, which are surprisingly tough. They can be a bit tricky to fill up (and not just immediately after finishing the wine). I have had one burst on me once when I dropped it - full of water, I'm happy to say. Better have a few parties, Rob, if you need to get through 5 gallons of wine in the next couple of weeks :-) An acquaintance of mine used to bring along a leather wine bladder-bottle he bought very cheaply in Spain: you know, the type you squeeze and squirt into your mouth. I don't know how long it would last in damp sea air, though, and I suspect it leaked. Nick *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
-----Original Message----- From: owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net]On Behalf Of Nick Reiter Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:45 PM To: grayling_at_angelfire.com; Paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Water Carrier At 10:56 21/03/2002 -0800, Rob Baran wrote: >Hello, I'm new to the list. I was wondering if anyone knows of a reliable >and affordable collapsible water carrier in the 2-5 gallon range. I'm >considering a Baja trip next month. >Thanx >Rob Baran and Nick wrote: <snip> The cheapest option I have tried is empty ( or rather emptied ;-) ) bladders from wine boxes, which are surprisingly tough. <snip> My wife makes up denim covers for these bladders. They have a zipper on the back for eventual bladder replacement, a round hole for the bladder neck, and a large loop for hanging them up. If you dunk them in the water, the denim will give you an evaporative cooling effect. She peddles them to all my friends for $12, bladder included. My job is to keep her supplied with the bladders - a tough job, but somebody has to do it:) Best, Rob. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
You can get 5 gallon (about 10 liters) thick square plastic bags. I believe I got mine at REI a long time ago. Most sporting goods stores should have them as they are popular with the car camping crown. It collapses and would fit in a boat, though if you have small hatches you'd need to fill after putting in the boat. You might look at rigging it up behind the seat. I haven't kayaked with mine, but I did carry it in my backpack for a trip in to the backcountry of Badlands National Park where all water has to be packed in. Let me say this. Water is heavy. -Patrick >At 10:56 21/03/2002 -0800, Rob Baran wrote: >>Hello, I'm new to the list. I was wondering if anyone knows of a reliable >>and affordable collapsible water carrier in the 2-5 gallon range. I'm >>considering a Baja trip next month. >>Thanx >>Rob Baran *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In the USA, REI sells similar water carriers in nylon bags with carry handles. They're so cheap, there's no reason to make your own. When they are empty, they take up hardly any space at all. I've used nothing else for nearly 20 years. Chuck Holst -----Original Message----- From: Alex Ferguson [SMTP:a.ferguson_at_chem.canterbury.ac.nz] >I was wondering if anyone knows of a reliable and affordable collapsible >water carrier in the 2-5 gallon range. >Rob Baran Do you get wine in cardboard boxes in the States (I can't remember as we didn't buy any last year). If so and especially if they have the rubber "lift-up" taps, use them, they carry 3 or 4 litres. To fill, pull the rubber tap off with your teeth (I find it easier that way). Make up nylon bags to put them in, to save them from abrasion. As they will conform to any shape they are the most effective way of carrying water, will fit where nothing else will. Alex . *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Hello, I'm new to the list. I was wondering if anyone knows > of a reliable and affordable collapsible water carrier in the > 2-5 gallon range. I'm considering a Baja trip next month. I don't personally have experience carrying water on kayak camping trips, but from prior discussions, there seems to be quite a bit of agreement that multiple smaller carriers are better than one large carrier. This is true for a few reasons, mainly packing/stowing options, and not putting all your eggs in one basket should you experience a leak, spill etc. Regarding affordable, I've heard that you can use the bladders that come in a "box" of wine. I'm in the process of emptying the wine out of one now, in order to give it a test. Clearly, this is one time when testing products/solutions can be a lot of fun :-) Rick - Poquoson, VA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Check these varieties of bags (just a quick sample from a search): http://everestnews.altrec.com/shop/dir/0/92/ http://www.safetycentral.com/nylcovcamwat.html http://www.rei.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=671287&prmenbr= 8000&cgrfnbr=5760741 -- 10 liter (2.6 gal) bags would be good for longer trips, but the smaller bags are very handy and easier to pack. Consider combining sizes. Your cockpit floor is a good place to pack water bags on a camping trip (but perhaps not if you're anticipating a surf landing). > I was wondering if anyone knows > of a reliable and affordable collapsible water carrier in the > 2-5 gallon range. I'm considering a Baja trip next month. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Get one of those pillow style water containers that have a nylon outer shell with a plastic replaceable inner water bottle. They hold 2.5 gallons and have the virtue of collapsing down to nothing, cheap price (about $6-8), and leakproof. Campmor sells them via their website I would think (it is in the catalog) but you can also find them in REI with the store logo on it. They are very tough and you can always bring a spare inner bottle or two for insurance. The nice thing about them is that the lie flat in your kayak and have minimal effect on your center of gravity and don't slosh much. Of course you can go with one of the fancy ones for about $30 from I forget the company's name. I found that the water gets a funny taste in that type and prefer the cheap Campmor one. ralph diaz-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Baran" <grayling_at_angelfire.com> Subject: [Paddlewise] Water Carrier > Hello, I'm new to the list. I was wondering if anyone knows of a reliable and affordable collapsible water carrier in the 2-5 gallon range. I'm considering a Baja trip next month. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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Let's try that again... Rob Baran asked: Hello, I'm new to the list. I was wondering if anyone knows of a reliable and affordable collapsible water carrier in the 2-5 gallon range. I'm considering a Baja trip next month. 3 ranges I like: Ultra cheap and fun to make are the 5 liter wine skins from boxed wine. REI sells a similar skin for 2.50 ea and a cloth bag for ease of carrying and abrasion resistance. The skin they sell does not appear as tough as the one you gotta swill all that cheap wine down for, though. (1 litre equals a quart = 1/4 cup) I like the MSR Dromedary bags in the 10 litre size. They are very expensive, about thirty bucks, but are tough as nails and hold 10 litres. I like to supplement those with 2-4 litre nalgene or platypus bags (8 bucks ea) as they can be distributed around the kayak better. Two things I don't do: A.) is not rely on those folding water carriers of incredibly light and unreliable plastic. They hold 2 to 5 gallons and are sold very inexpensively. Had to cut a trip short once. B.) rely on the seal of those 1 gallon plastic containers of water found at most stores. Rob G *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Rcgibbert_at_aol.com wrote: > > (1 litre equals a quart = 1/4 cup) I think you mipselled "+" :) -- Steve *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Rob Baran wrote: >Hello, I'm new to the list. I was wondering if anyone knows of a reliable >and affordable collapsible water carrier in the 2-5 gallon range. I'm >considering a Baja trip next month. Alex wrote about wine bladders: >As they will conform to any shape they are the most effective way of carrying water, will fit where >nothing else will. I never liked the nylon covered "wine box liners" for kayaking (although I've got one for backpacking since the late 70's when they first came out as water containers and suggested my employer, Early Winters, sell them). They seemed difficult to fit where I wanted them to go in a kayak. They always seamed to want to blob roll down to the middle and they did not have enough shape to stuff in anywhere else without a lot of fussing and two hands. I use a combination of two collapsible containers. The cheapest ones are the two liter soda pop bottles that I collect when I can (I'd pour out the on sale soda pop before I'd drink it if I had to buy them though-even if you have to buy the product with them they are cheap). They are also very tough. I stomp them flat (except for the mouth) to save space when they are empty and blow them back up to fill them again. I like not having all my water eggs in one basket especially in Baja where enough drinking water could become a life or death issue and is most often not easily available. When these soda bottles are full they can be jammed into nooks and crannies between gear bags and can be used to shift weight easily from one side of the kayak to the other so that it will float level once loaded. The other container I use is the 2.5 gallon size "Reliance" jug. It is about an 8 to 9" cube and will fold fairly small (very similar to the cube at REI but with a red carrying handle and a twist to pour spout). Made in Canada if I remember correctly. They also made a 5 gallon version but I found them too unwieldy and heavy when full (not to mention the eggs in one basket problem). Two of the 2.5 gallon ones can fit side to side behind me and, as opposed to the slinky wine jugs, will stay where I put them. Compared to the similar cube type from REI, the Reliance jug's handles and hanging hole also let me secure them better in the back deck if need be for those long Baja trips (such as the time I had about 10 gallons of water in and on my Khatsalano S when paddling out of Loreto. BTW figure at least a gallon of water per person per day for your Baja trip. The corners of these square type jugs (where they are thinner walled and fold into points) are very vulnerable to getting a pin hole leak worn into them. I haven't had much problem with this since I ran into Kenny Howell on my first trip to Baja back in 1986 (I think). He was a guide for Sea Trek and he showed me the cure for leaky corners that had worked for them. Inflate the jugs when they are new and tape an X of duct tape over each corner of the cube before ever using them. These jugs were widely available at most general sporting goods and camping stores. However, the duct tape trick worked so well for me that it has been a long time since I have looked for these jugs so I don't know if they are still available now. I have had to replace the dried out duct tape once or twice since first getting them though. If you tie a short cord with a hook on it to the handle and/or hanging hole they make a good emergency paddle float. Wrap the cord around the paddle shaft a couple of times and hook the cord to itself to attach it to the shaft, the cord will cinch up and not let it slide up the shaft. In fact, the "Reliance" jugs became the first "commercial" paddlefloat as that is what I finally settled on when I was looking for something better than my PFD to use when I was first developing the paddlefloat rescue. I was looking for a floating device that was easy to attach, compact, easy to inflate and use, cheap (then it was under $6.00 retail) and widely available to paddlers before promoting our then new rescue widely to the then very small sea kayaking community. There is a drawing of this jug about 2/3 of the way through the "Owner's Manual" on our website. It shows two cords securing the jug to the paddle shaft but one cord was usually enough (with two cords tied to the jug in advance there was a back-up in case one failed and with both attached the paddle would be held more horizontal when in use-but still not as horizontal as with the more modern envelope style paddlefloats I now prefer). 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From: "Matt Broze" <mkayaks_at_oz.net> > The other container I use is the 2.5 gallon size "Reliance" jug. These are used a lot in my area. They are quite useful and I'll offer the following hint: The pour spouts are prone to opening a tad if they get knocked. Get a heavy elastic band and make a lanyard hitch around the carrying handle with it and then loop the other end around the spout and engage the valve lever. This will hold it in the closed position and doesn't have to be removed to open the valve for short periods. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>They >seemed difficult to fit where I wanted them to go in a kayak. They always >seamed to want to blob roll down to the middle That's how I want them, in the middle, low down, under everything else. >The cheapest ones are the two liter soda pop bottles Yes but still don't squash down as well as they get emptied and then still take up more room when empty. Better for the non-alcoholic drinkers for emptying though!! >The corners of these square >type jugs (where they are thinner walled and fold into points) are very >vulnerable to getting a pin hole leak worn into them. Fortunately the one we had (8 litres) on a month long trip survived., carried it on deck with the 5 litres of kerosene I have used the 3 litre bottles often and they are worse than the round 2 litre ones in a single. Often carried 5 of the 3 litre across the mid-deck on the double held by a webbing strap. If we'd got in to difficulty any time it was only a moment to reach foreward, unsnap the buckle and drop the load. Alex . . *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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