I would prefer not to have advertisements on the Paddlewise list. That would just introduce more static I will have to scroll by on the digest form of Paddlewise (just like messages that quote too much from other messages). Putting "[advertisement]" or some such notice in the header wouldn't help much for those of us who prefer to read the list in digest form. Instead, perhaps persons wishing to post advertisements could put them on the Paddlewise web site, or the web site could include a link to advertisements posted on some other web site. I see Paddlewise as being an eductional endeavor, not a commercial one. -- Bob Hume *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Kirk wrote: > I'm looking for feedback from people on whether to allow this sort of > message. I am opposed to this kind of message. Paddlewise is truly international (well, despite a strong north american focus) and I would not like to read job offers from all over the world. Also, paddlewise is a discussion medium, not an announcement medium. *If* job announcements are going to be allowed, I'd like to ask for a meta tag in the subject line such as [job] or [adv] so people can adapt their killfiles / scorefiles. Cheers, Marian -- Marian Gunkel Berlin, Germany http://www.mariangunkel.de *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Please, how many kayak jobs can be open in the world let alone the US. I think it's nice people see paddlewise as a source for good paddlers and coaches. JFF > >I am opposed to this kind of message. >Paddlewise is truly international (well, despite a strong north >american focus) and I would not like to read job offers from all >over the world. Also, paddlewise is a discussion medium, not an >announcement medium. > >*If* job announcements are going to be allowed, I'd like to ask for >a meta tag in the subject line such as [job] or [adv] so people can >adapt their killfiles / scorefiles. > >Cheers, >Marian > -- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> I'm looking for feedback from people on whether to allow this > sort of message. Be careful what you ask for.... you might get it :-) It doesn't bother me, although depending on how my day is going, I do like the suggestion of having clarity in the Subject Line so that I can quickly delete without opening if time is short. I also think that it *might* be interesting to see where across the world the demand for classes is outpacing the availability of instructors. It could spawn some valuable and interesting discussion on the growth of paddling and so forth. As another slice at the issue, I'd question whether "jobs" is any different than "for sale" or "wanted" posts. Neither of the three are pure "discussion" but all are pertinent to paddling and may help someone, and helping each other is a key benefit of participating in the forum. If it were my decision - which it clearly is not - I'd say lets allow them for a period of time, perhaps 6 months (or until the question is clearly answered during the course of those months) and then evaluate the "business case" so to speak, of having them included. In otherwords, lets make the decision based on fact and experience rather than on hypothesis and presumption. If it gets out of hand during the trial period, stop it. Just my initial reactions, but no strong opinions on it - just casual thoughts. Rick - Poquoson, VA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hey all, I'll agree with Ralph on this one. I don't mind seeing opportunities for guides and instructors. I think there are many of us out there looking at ways of eventually ditching the "real" world and guiding or teaching. I do think adding a [ADV] prefix or something is a good idea for those who would rather not read the opportunities. I know there are some of you out there kayaking professionally and I'd love to hear what people are doing. Are you guiding, teaching, working with kids, touring programs, running a resort, outfitters or lodge? What are the advatages and the disadvantages of kayaking as a job? I can think of plenty of both off hand, but would love to hear other experiences. -Patrick At Tuesday, 5 March 2002, "ralph diaz" <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com> wrote: >I think it is a fine idea. As someone else said, how many are we going to >see anyway? [SNIP] *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 3/5/02 7:59:29 PM !!!First Boot!!!, kolsen_at_imaginelan.com writes: << Tim asked my permission before making this posting. I told him we would use the posting as a trial. The criteria for his post was he had to specify the job location in the subject, and could not include the name of the company looking for staff. >> I like this idea as long as it is noted as a Help Wanted in the subject line, as this one is, so people can choose not to read it. I am opposed to for sale/trips/ lessons/gear from commercial places, as has been the PW policy. Our CPA list has help wanted ads and they prove no problem and often helpful. I don't see this type of ad as the same thing as the commercial stuff we all mostly avoid like the plague it is. There just aren't that many opportunities like this in any one place. Me, I'd like to take a couple of months in the summer when school is out and teach or lead trips if the income was enough. I don't think that is going to happen in NYC, though. But I can dream when I read some ads <G>. Joan Spinner who does a bunch of volunteer teaching and trip leading in the DC area *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Ralph is teasing me with; > Which leads to another question: If you had your choice of > where to be a > kayak instructor or guide or run a small shop, where in the > world would you > like to do this? Oh, good question! Next, you'll be asking me what I want to be when I grow up :-) Let's see, my initial reaction is "somewhere exotic". So, what's exotic? It's probably that which one is not familiar with. Therefore, the flat, comparativley warm and shallow waters of the Cheseapeake Bay are not exotic *to me* because I grew up (well, grew older, anyway) here. However, the cold, glaciered, ice-berged waters of someplace like Alaska are exotic and appealing to me, becasue it's different and I've never been there. If I lived in Alaska, perhaps where I am in the Cheseapeake Bay would be considered exotic and this is where I'd choose. But if it were strictly a business decision...... I'd find out where there were heavy concentrations of paddlers and inadequate suppliers and instructors, and cross that to places where paddling was possible for the majority of the year if not the entire year, and where the area were experiencing growth and had a good economic foundation and take a good hard look at that location. The business decision above is based on an unemotional evaluation of where to go. Throw in the emotional side, and I'd have to consider where I'd want my kids to grow up and proximity to family and the whole equation gets much more complex. So, where would I go? Cheeze, who knows! Your hurting my brain! :-) Rick - Poquoson, VA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I'm in favor of allowing as I was going to pass the info (with Tim's OK - so Tim, please reply on this) on to the instructor at Florida Bay Outfitters (I ACTUALLY took a class on Sat. to practice re-entry and get over my fear from the near-death experience). She's working the winter season here and was going to look for work up north in the summer...she's from michigan... I think this is a courtesy we can extend p'wisers - especially since there are many people who are now unemployed and may decide to turn a hobby into a career. sandy kramer miami *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Alaska - exotic???? AK to me evokes: breathtaking, awe-inspiring. Yet I fully realize that exotic means (dictionary here): foreign...having the charm of the unfamiliar, strikingly and intriguingly unusual or different. So, of course, you're right. For me, exotic brings to mind palm trees and hibiscus (flowers, and clear, WARM, turquoise waters...Hawaii, Tahiti...) forgive the drivel.... sandy kramer *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Sandy wrote: "For me, exotic brings to mind palm trees and hibiscus (flowers, and clear, WARM, turquoise waters...Hawaii, Tahiti...)" Sandy, BTW, AK DOES have turqouise waters, and is warm if you are in fleece and a drysuit :) Scott Simpson Anchorage Alaska *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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