In theory this is true...but in practice, so few people really read on a daily basis for information and a significant part of their recreation...and so few people really value education any more....this is the main problem with our education system...that it is not really highly valued in our society to be thoughtful or educated. Those who do value such things know that knowledge and skill come with hard work and time spent toward that end. One of the things I like about kayaking is the there is always more to learn, and more skill to gain....but the world is full of people who think all things good are also instantaneous...and take no real effort. Although there is not excuse, the reality is that since the "no excuse" attitude, as valid as it is, does not work in a society that pretty much has agreed to not hold idiots accountable for their own ignorance. Societal and natural law have little in common I am afraid... >With the litargy of information available to anyone that has access to a <library today, there is absolutely no excuse to not know what one is getting >themselves into. >Scott Simpson >Anchorage Alaska *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
but the > world is full of people who think all things good are also > instantaneous...and take no real effort. My point exactly; with one caveat: if someone chooses to remain ignorant, and still pursue a dangerous sport, that should equate to a 'waiver' of society's responsibility to save them. They should be guilty of 'due negligence' by their own act, and hold us (society) harmless for any injury they might incur. Scott Simpson Anchorage Alaska "There is always one more thing you can do to influence any situation" Lt. Gen Harold Moore, USA (Ret) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I don't see where any of this has much to do with paddling. Certainly the best paddlers are not the product of classes. Classes are good and a help to get past initial hurdles, but most good paddlers that I know learned most of what they know ether without classes on their own after taking classes to get started. --- Michael Orchard <mspadorchard_at_attbi.com> wrote: > In theory this is true...but in practice, so few > people really read on a > daily basis for information and a significant part > of their > recreation... Do you mean as in books? People certainly read online information, usually when they should be working :) If you include that, I bet people read as much as they ever did. > and so few people really value > education any more....this > is the main problem with our education system...that > it is not really > highly valued in our society to be thoughtful or > educated. This is just plain rubbish. The main problem with our education system is that it is a failure of it's own right. Not only are students not taught to think, they aren't even encouraged to. This is especially true in math and the sciences. Students are taught to regurgitate info and to solve problems by memorized techniques with only a rare few of them actually understanding any of the underlying principles. This has been the case as long as I can remember (I am old enough to remember when there was no TV). I always believed that people who got a real education often did it in spite of their formal education, rather than because of it. Pete Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
The main problem with our > education system is that it is a failure of it's own > right. Not only are students not taught to think, > they aren't even encouraged to. Let's get the facts straight here Pete: There are 3 Teachers in my immediate family - I will assure you that the above point is pure horse-puckey! The main problem with our education system is 1) Parents 2) Litigous society 3) Administration 4) Poorly qualified Teachers That is a whole other ballgame, that should not be delved into on Paddlewise.... Scott Simpson Anchorage Alaska "There is always one more thing you can do to influence any situation" Lt. Gen Harold Moore, USA (Ret) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Scott and Pete, I really think the educational system should not be discussed here. But since I am a teacher I like to add my 2 cents of wisdom at this point: I think Pete made a point that is relevant. My school works on the goal to increase the teaching of critical thinking, i.e. higher order thinking skills across the curruculum at the High School level. We had to form a committe (of which I am a proud member:))and come up with an action plan for the next 6 years. It looks to me as if there Must be something wrong with the way we teach??? Although Scott, the other factors you mentioned, such as society and parents may also play a very important role in the failure of the educational system. > education system is that it is a failure of it's own > right. Not only are students not taught to think, > they aren't even encouraged to. 1) Parents 2) Litigous society 3) Administration 4) Poorly qualified Teachers *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
From: "Scott" <sc_at_gci.net> > The main problem with our education system is > 1) Parents > 2) Litigous society > 3) Administration > 4) Poorly qualified Teachers My year of teaching taught me that the three biggest problems in education today are: 1) Parents 2) Parents 3) Parents Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>10. your boat could whack you on the head as you flip > 9. you could hit your heat on a submerged rock/log Like I said before, all of the reasons you pfd zealots try to use to justify always having to wear one can just as easily be applied to a helmet. Yet I doubt any of you always wear a helmet when your paddling, probably for pretty much the same reasons that I don't always wear a pfd!!!!!!! Scott So.Cal. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 06:46:13PM -0400, KiAyker_at_aol.com wrote: > Yet I doubt any of you always wear a helmet when your paddling, probably for > pretty much the same reasons that I don't always wear a pfd!!!!!!! Actually, yes, I always wear a helmet. In 20+ years of rafting, kayaking and canoeing I've never been without it: mostly because I make my living with my head and would prefer to keep it as intact as possible. ---Rsk *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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