All, Firstly I'd like to thank Shawn Baker and Mark Zen for their timely posting of hypothermia tables and information, and willingness to share. I think the added insights regarding dexterity and clothing are things we need to know an discuss and refine. I'd like to see some actual research regarding the effects of protective clothing (as we know it) on the onset of symptoms, etc. Especially in cases where the air and water temps are highly divergent, creating rules of thumb about clothing based entirely on water temp may be misleading and/or subject to complete disregard. As you will see, cold is a particular interest of mine. Secondly, welcome to the 2002 paddling season in the Northern Latitudes (as the snow falls outside my window)! For any of you who wonder when the season starts in upstate NY, well, it was about a month ago. I have been out cleaning local creeks of deadfall and debris with some of the crazier paddlers around. I have posted a photo for your enjoyment. This was taken on 10-March, the morning after the first creek run of the year. This boat was left on the rack outside so it would be ready to relaunch the next day.... www.geocities.com/lakelightning/storm.jpg Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 4/4/2002 10:45:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, kayak_at_headwinds.org writes: > . I'd > like to see some actual research regarding the effects > of protective clothing (as we know it) on the onset of > symptoms, etc. Especially in cases where the air and > water temps are highly divergent, creating rules of > thumb about clothing based entirely on water temp may > be misleading and/or subject to complete disregard. > There was a good deal of money available for military research back in 1985 or so. Things haven't changed much --- neoprene is essentially neoprene --- and the data is still good. Unfortunately, it isn't *here*. I can synopsize the important bits --- including a comparison between wet and dry suits that has some interesting twists --- but I'll have to get to the data. No soft copies available. Will get it on the line soon. To the point on not relying on "charts" --- amen. There are no *easy* formulas, but as Dr. Chuck Sutherland points out at every opportunity, there are a lot of *really bad* formulas. Excellent points on that issue. Will try to find the synopsis of these two articles --- Navy and Coast Guard --- sometime over the weekend. Maybe from the boring bits during class tomorrow. Jack Martin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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