I could use a little help with a purchase. I need to buy another paddling squirt so we can get both boats out at the same time. I'm trying to figure out the advantage of a touring squirt vs a ww squirt for my touring boat? Obviously, most of the touring models have a lot more nylon vs neoprene and don't fit as tight. Is there a reason for this? Do they still sandwich between layers in a drytop? I have used my ww squirt with touring boats and it seems OK and they are a lot easier to find in my area. Thanks for your help. Scot Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Did you mean "skirt" as in sprayskirt? In that case, go for an all-neoprene skirt if you expect to do any rolling or paddling in rough weather. I've heard neoprene/nylon skirts called "sprayskirt with a colorful leak point". They are fine as long as you don't expect to have a lot of water washing across the deck, and provide good ventilation in hot weather. The one difficulty with a whitewater specific skirt is that it might be a little tight on a large sea kayak cockpit. There are some huge whitewater cockpits too, but not all are as large as general sea kayak cockpit. You will probably want to test the skirt on your cockpit before buying. Kevin Whilden ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scot Hume" <scot_hume_at_yahoo.com> To: <PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 11:12 AM Subject: [Paddlewise] Whitewater vs Touring Squirts? > I could use a little help with a purchase. I need to > buy another paddling squirt so we can get both boats > out at the same time. I'm trying to figure out the > advantage of a touring squirt vs a ww squirt for my > touring boat? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Sorry about the error in my previous email. I had about 10 things going at one time and got squirts instead of skirts. Scot Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 01:05 PM 5/8/02 -0700, Kevin Whilden wrote: >Did you mean "skirt" as in sprayskirt? In that case, go for an all-neoprene >skirt if you expect to do any rolling or paddling in rough weather. I've >heard neoprene/nylon skirts called "sprayskirt with a colorful leak point". >They are fine as long as you don't expect to have a lot of water washing >across the deck, and provide good ventilation in hot weather. Yes, neoprene skirts can get quite warm when used in hot weather. I've tried a few nylon/neoprene combinations and they're a bit cooler in hot weather but many of them do leak. Typically, they leak over the top of the tunnel, so a spray skirt with just suspender straps and a draw cord are no better (or worse) in terms of leakage than a nylon only skirt with suspender straps and draw cord. There are, however, quite a few combo skirts which have a narrow neoprene band at the top of the tunnel that can be cinched down with a velcro closure. For example: <http://www.snapdragondesign.com/images/products/exp_ot_glacier.jpg> >The one difficulty with a whitewater specific skirt is that it might be a >little tight on a large sea kayak cockpit. There are some huge whitewater >cockpits too, but not all are as large as general sea kayak cockpit. You >will probably want to test the skirt on your cockpit before buying. One of the primary reasons nylon skirts aren't used often on whitewater boats is that they don't stretch and the chance of it imploding when rough water is pounding on the deck. The neoprene skirts fit tighter and are less likely to implode. However, since most whitewater boats are plastic the cockpit rim doesn't have the hard edge that is often found on a fiberglass, kevlar, or wood sea kayak. If you've got a plastic touring boat a neoprene skirt will most likely release just as easily as if it were on a whitewater boat. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
<<Did you mean "skirt" as in sprayskirt? In that case, go for an all-neoprene=0D skirt if you expect to do any rolling or paddling in rough weather. >>=0D If you can only afford one skirt, get a neoprene one. You can tour in a W= W skirt, but trying to do WW in a nylon touring skirt gets ugly fast.=0D <<The one difficulty with a whitewater specific skirt is that it might be= a=0D little tight on a large sea kayak cockpit. There are some huge whitewater= =0D cockpits too, but not all are as large as general sea kayak cockpit. You=0D will probably want to test the skirt on your cockpit before buying.>>=0D FWIW, my Snapdragon skirt fits my WW boat very well and is a little big o= n my Dagger tourer. As Kevin says, check before you buy.=0D =0D > I could use a little help with a purchase. I need to=0D > buy another paddling squirt so we can get both boats=0D > out at the same time. I'm trying to figure out the=0D > advantage of a touring squirt vs a ww squirt for my=0D > touring boat?=0D Oh, and if you really do squirt your touring boat, get someone to take pictures. :)=0D Steve [demime 0.92b removed an attachment of type image/gif] *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 5/9/2002 10:59:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, jaf30_at_cornell.edu writes: > ... neoprene skirts can get quite warm when used in hot weather. I've tried > a few nylon/neoprene combinations and they're a bit cooler in hot weather > but many of them do leak. Typically, they leak over the top of the tunnel, > ... The tunnel of my SnapDragon neo/nylon skirt folds very nicely into the inner tunnel of my Kokatat drytop (no affiliation commercial or otherwise with either company). If I'm out in temperatures, in which I do not want to get wet unnecessarily, that's the combination I use. Folding the outer tunnel of my dry bib into the combination has proven to turn the whole set-up into a very effective dry suit even while exiting inverted and swimming about. If I'm not wearing a drytop, not even my full neoprene skirt keeps the water out at the (for my build) inevitable gap at the spine ... just exacly where I love to feel cold water ... :-) Best regards, Ralph Ralph_at_PouchBoats.com www.PouchBoats.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Has anyone come up with a good method of eliminating this problem with nylon tubes, short of the drysuit solution, or using a tuiliq? Kevin In a message dated 5/9/2002 10:59:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, jaf30_at_cornell.edu writes: > ... neoprene skirts can get quite warm when used in hot weather. I've tried > a few nylon/neoprene combinations and they're a bit cooler in hot weather > but many of them do leak. Typically, they leak over the top of the tunnel, > ... The tunnel of my SnapDragon neo/nylon skirt folds very nicely into the inner tunnel of my Kokatat drytop (snipped) Best regards, Ralph Ralph_at_PouchBoats.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Friends: I haven't been following this thread closely (I just now discovered that it is not about Squirts [French spelling? ;) ] ... I though it had to to with squirt boats...). I use a Snapdragon all-neoprene skirt all year around, even during Israel's hot and humid summers. If I get hot, I simply high brace or roll. I see no need for a nylon-neoprene combo... I'm generally pleased with the Snapdragon skirts and have just ordered another one for my new Mega Cyclone surf kayak. And, with respect to that kayak, I'm discovering that my trusty layback/screw whatever roll in my NDK is no good in the surf kayak, since it had little volume in the stern to support me. I'm now practicing the C and C... Happy Paddling, Josh Ra`anana, Israel Quoting knelson_at_actionpoint.com: > Has anyone come up with a good method of eliminating this problem with > > nylon tubes, short of the drysuit solution, or using a tuiliq? > > Kevin > > > In a message dated 5/9/2002 10:59:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, > jaf30_at_cornell.edu writes: > > > ... neoprene skirts can get quite warm when used in hot weather. I've > > tried > > a few nylon/neoprene combinations and they're a bit cooler in hot > weather > > but many of them do leak. Typically, they leak over the top of the > tunnel, > > ... > > The tunnel of my SnapDragon neo/nylon skirt folds very nicely into the > > inner > tunnel of my Kokatat drytop (snipped) > > Best regards, > Ralph > > Ralph_at_PouchBoats.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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