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From: <jfarrelly5_at_comcast.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] visibility
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:42:47 -0400
    We played football on the canal again last night under some nearby street lights.  It was interesting to see the difference in the visibility of the  kayaks.  Yellow was by far the most visible. Orange was second and red a distant third.  Blue disappeared. PFD color seemed irrelevant.  It simply was not a large enough surface to show up well.  I guess that is where reflectivity comes into play.  

                                   Jim et al

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From: Steve Cramer <cramersec_at_charter.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] visibility
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:19:25 -0400
At 10:42 AM 10/24/02 -0400, jfarrelly5_at_comcast.net wrote:
>     We played football on the canal again last night under some nearby 
> street lights.

Is that like kayak polo but with a longer ball? You didn't play in touring 
boats, did you?


Steve Cramer
Athens, GA

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From: <jfarrelly5_at_comcast.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] visibility
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:47:41 -0400
We use WW kayaks.  I unfortunately don't know the rules to kayak polo.  We
are not allowed to paddle with the football, but can dribble it by throwing
it at least 5 ft ahead of our boat.  You can only score by passing.
Blocking with a paddle is OK as long as you don't throw the paddle.  You can
dump other paddlers if they can roll.  This part can turn into quite an
event for the really good WW paddlers.  Eskimo rescues all around for the
non rollers who self dump.
I was flat run over by a WW canoe last night and was forced into my first
must do off side roll.  It worked out well.  I was pinned against the bank
and could only go one way.  The rocks my hands scraped against convinced me
to buy a good helmet.

Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Cramer" <cramersec_at_charter.net>
We played football on the canal again last night under some nearby
> > street lights.
>
> Is that like kayak polo but with a longer ball? You didn't play in touring
> boats, did you?
>
>
> Steve Cramer
> Athens, GA


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From: Patrick Maun <patrick_at_patrickmaun.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] visibility
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 22:32:18 -0500
At 12:47 PM -0400 10/24/02, jfarrelly5_at_comcast.net wrote:
We use WW kayaks.  I unfortunately don't know the rules to kayak polo. [SNIP]

Slightly OT, but I saw a kayak polo match last year and it was great 
fun. I'd love to try it. They have specialized boats that look like 
very long low ww slalom boats.

-Patrick
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From: Kees van der Meij <keesvdm_at_xs4all.nl>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] visibility
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 18:08:14 +0200
>     We played football on the canal again last night under some nearby
street lights.  It was interesting to see the difference in the visibility
of the  kayaks.  Yellow was by far the most visible. Orange was second and
red a distant third.  Blue disappeared. PFD color seemed irrelevant.  It
simply was not a large enough surface to show up well.  I guess that is
where reflectivity comes into play.

Also the spectral characteristics of both the light source and the receiver
(=eye) are important.

The human eye is colorblind at low light, as well as being much more
sensitive to red and yellow.

Streetlights, in particular the common orange low-pressure Sodium ones, only
emit yellow light , so everything else looks dark. Other light sources, like
incandescent bulbs, high-pressure Xenon (blueish-green) as used in stadiums,
or high-pressure Sodium (warm white) show color much better.

regards,

    Kees

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From: <jfarrelly5_at_comcast.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] visibility
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:41:33 -0400
Bull's eye!  I was waiting for a very smart person to mention this point.  A
point that I suspected but could never explain. The light source was the
common street light you mentioned.

Jim

----- Original Message -----

> >     We played football on the canal again last night under some nearby
> street lights.  It was interesting to see the difference in the visibility
> of the  kayaks.  Yellow was by far the most visible.

> Also the spectral characteristics of both the light source and the
receiver
> (=eye) are important.
>
> The human eye is colorblind at low light, as well as being much more
> sensitive to red and yellow.
>
> Streetlights, in particular the common orange low-pressure Sodium ones,
only
> emit yellow light , so everything else looks dark.
>     Kees


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