Well, Montana boaters (and any of you who might wish to visit & paddle here), it looks like the nasty paddlecraft registration virus has reared its ugly head in our state. http://www.americanwhitewater.org/archive/article/717/ Just another piece of legislation to charge boaters $8.50 per kayak, canoe, or raft. Estimates show we have approximately 30,000 paddlecraft in Montana, which equates to only $255,000 in annual revenues. Methinks most of it will get eaten up by bureaucracy and enforcement, leaving little to invest in access or conservation. :( Draft text: http://data.opi.state.mt.us/bills/2003/lchtml/LC0975.htm If you plan to paddle here one day (and don't want to buy the $8.50 decal), I personally wouldn't mind if you write our Senators. :) Shawn __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Montana's proposed registration makes Minnesota's current law look quite reasonable. For one thing, in Minnesota the fee is prorated by length, so it is cheaper for most canoes and kayaks than it is for large powerboats (I think 19 feet is the point at which the fee goes up). And I think the current fee for canoes and kayaks in Minnesota is a little cheaper than that proposed for Montana -- about $15-$17 for three years, as I recall. I think the lower cutoff, below which no registration is required, is 12 feet, which automatically exempts most WW kayaks. Chuck Holst *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Yet another reason to pass on through Montana when heading for Idaho's rivers. If it passes, I hope reciprocity is included, seeing as in Canada the licensing of canoes and kayaks is free. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
The current text of the draft bill doesn't specifically state anything about out-of-state boaters. http://data.opi.state.mt.us/bills/2003/lchtml/LC0975.htm However, it's basically being tied to motorboat registration. All motorboats must be registered...if your craft is registered in another state, then I assume you'd have reciprocity. If your craft is not registered (or not required to be registered), then I imagine a big ugly sticker will need to be purchased. The only exemptions are for 7' or less inflatables and government-owned craft. That's it. Shawn --- Kirby Stevens <K_Stevens_at_telus.net> wrote: > I am curious, will this tax or registration be enforced for tourists > or will it just be for locals? > > Kirby __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
[Moderator's Note: Content unaltered. Excessive quoting (i.e. headers/footers/sig lines/extraneous text from previous posts, etc.) have been removed. Please edit quoted material in addition to removing header/trailers when replying to posts.] > Richard Culpeper wrote: > Yet another reason to pass on through Montana when heading for Idaho's > rivers. If it passes, I hope reciprocity is included, seeing as in > Canada the licensing of canoes and kayaks is free. I think we all should let the State of Montana know that we will be passing up spending our tourism dollars in Montana in favor of States that do not rip us off for boat "licenses." Maybe they'll get the message.... - Bill *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I think we all should let the State of Montana know that we will be passing up spending our tourism dollars in Montana in favor of States that do not rip us off for boat "licenses." Maybe they'll get the message.... I was upset when Illinois first required kayak and canoe registration. But those few dollars we pay have given us the standing to demand canoe launches and river access and watertrail access to Lake Michigan and a lot of other things. And our demands have yielded results. I would still prefer not be bothered, but it has proved to have its positive result. Jim Tibensky *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi Bill, By all means, Please Do!!! Mike Sprague (Draft Bill LC0975 sponsor) 174 Erickson CT S Billings, MT 59105-2347 Home: (406)252-6027 (and if this stupid thing does pass, I'll have a fleet of "oficially licensed" kayaks you can borrow if you visit, and don't want to buy a sticker for your own.) Shawn "William Lloyd" <lloyd_at_execpc.com> >I think we all should let the State of Montana know that we will be passing up spending our tourism dollars in Montana in favor of States that do not rip us off for boat "licenses." Maybe they'll get the message.... - - Bill __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Would you happen to have an email address for this character? Dave G. The other Poquoson, Va paddler At 10:31 AM 1/20/2003 -0800, Shawn Baker wrote: >Hi Bill, > >By all means, Please Do!!! > >Mike Sprague (Draft Bill LC0975 sponsor) >174 Erickson CT S >Billings, MT 59105-2347 >Home: (406)252-6027 > >(and if this stupid thing does pass, I'll have a fleet of "oficially >licensed" kayaks you can borrow if you visit, and don't want to buy a >sticker for your own.) > >Shawn *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi Dave, Unfortunately, no. I actually had to write my first letter (except Christmas and Birthday gift Thank You notes) in about 2 years! :) >From the AWA.org website: "Senator Bob Keenan, Montana Senate President bob_at_bigforkinn.com Mike Sprague (no email address given) 174 Erickson CT S Billings, MT 59105-2347 Home: (406)252-6027 " Interestingly (interesting, because I just noticed it myself)...Bob Keenan lives in Bigfork, the same Montana town where AWA Conservation Director John Gangemi lives...and it's a town of only 10,000 folks. I wonder if they've spoken! :) Shawn Dave Gorjup <dgorjup_at_cox.net> > Would you happen to have an email address for this character? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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