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From: Doug Lloyd <dalloyd_at_telus.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] Bears - again!
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:12:44 -0700
Try:
http://www.canada.com/search/story.aspx?id=01e42efa-2c3f-4a24-b605-5c10f900b
8f9

Doug Lloyd
Victoria BC

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From: Joyce Family <tfj4_at_comcast.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] Bears' Swimming Speed
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 07:29:10 -0500
Does anyone have any good information (could be reliable anecdotal info) as
to how fast bears swim?  I've read that polar bears can go 6 mph, which
strikes me as slow for an aquatic mammal, at least for short distances.  I'm
unaware of any measurements of the speed of black bears or grizzlies,
though.  I know their running speeds have been clocked at over 30 mph.  This
thought occurred to me recently as I stopped in the middle of a paddle to
watch a black bear foraging on the shore.

Tom Joyce
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From: Jochen Grikschat <grikschat_at_web.de>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Bears' Swimming Speed
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:59:17 +0200
> to how fast bears swim?  I've read that polar bears can go 6 mph, which
> strikes me as slow for an aquatic mammal, at least for short distances.

Slow? I never read on their swimming speed, but all films I saw where Polar
Bears swim around, the seem to be quite slow. Much slower than 6mph. I donīt
think 6mph could be truth.
What I know, Polar Bears are or could be extreme durable swimmers, up to or
over 300 nm in open sea are reported.

Why aquatic mammal? They live on the ice, most time, hunting seals aso.
Swimming is necessary to change places, nothing more. What else should they
they do in water?

bye - jochen

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From: alex <al.m_at_3web.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Bears' Swimming Speed
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:33:57 -0700
If bear is an aquatic animal, then humans are perhaps too :-).  Anyway, 6mph
is fast enough to catch most of kayakers.

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From: "Joyce Family" <tfj4_at_comcast.net>
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Subject: [Paddlewise] Bears' Swimming Speed


> Does anyone have any good information (could be reliable anecdotal info)
as
> to how fast bears swim?  I've read that polar bears can go 6 mph, which
> strikes me as slow for an aquatic mammal, at least for short distances.
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From: Mark Sanders <sandmarks_at_comcast.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Bears' Swimming Speed
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:43:38 -0700
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "alex" 
>Anyway, 6mph is fast enough to catch most of kayakers.

To be safe, you only have to be faster than the slowest paddler. 

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From: Gary J. MacDonald <garyj_at_rogers.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Bears' Swimming Speed
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:28:00 -0400
Google:  "polar bear" "swimming speed"

 From SeaWorld / Busch Gardens

4. Polar bears can obtain a swimming speed of 10 kph (6.2 mph) 
(Stirling, 1988).

Enviro New Net (enn.com)

How they get around -- Polar bears are capable of traveling 19 miles or 
more per day for several days. The average walking speed is 3.4 mph, but 
when being chased or charging prey, their maximum speed is 25 mph for 
short distances. They are also strong swimmers, and can swim for several 
hours at a time over long distances; some have been tracked swimming 
continuously for 62 miles. Swimming speed can reach 6.2 miles per hour. 
Polar bears usually swim under water at depths of only about 10 to 15 
feet. They can remain submerged for as long as two minutes.

Enn.com appears to be quoting the same study.

GaryJ

Joyce Family wrote:
> Does anyone have any good information (could be reliable anecdotal info) as
> to how fast bears swim?  I've read that polar bears can go 6 mph, which
> strikes me as slow for an aquatic mammal, at least for short distances.  I'm
> unaware of any measurements of the speed of black bears or grizzlies,
> though.  I know their running speeds have been clocked at over 30 mph.  This
> thought occurred to me recently as I stopped in the middle of a paddle to
> watch a black bear foraging on the shore.

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From: Dave Carlson <qajaq_at_nwlink.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Bears' Swimming Speed
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:24:50 -0700
"Arctic Dreams" by Barry Lopez is a fascinating source of information about
the Arctic and Arctic animals.  It has an extended chapter about polar
bears.  They are specifically adapted to swimming, and I'm not surprised
about the reported speed (6.2 mph) in the water.  We gave the one we saw a
wide berth, since the naturalist we saw said "you can reason with a grizzly
bear, but to a polar bear, if it moves it's food."

Dave

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From: Doug Lloyd <dalloyd_at_telus.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Bears' Swimming Speed
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:53:18 -0700
Jochen said:
>Slow? I never read on their swimming speed, but all films I saw where Polar
Bears swim around, the seem to be quite slow. Much slower than 6mph. I donīt
think 6mph could be truth. What I know, Polar Bears are or could be extreme
durable swimmers, up to or over 300 nm in open sea are reported.<

No, no. Roto-molded Polar Bears are durable. :-)

Anyway, I think in was Victoria Jason's account in Kabloona in a Yellow
Kayak that gave a rather animated account of Polar Bear swimming speeds (as
in they were chased as fast as they could paddle if I remember correctly,
until currents or something helped fend them off from the Ursus maritimus).
That would be considerened a definite anecdotal account.

As for the grizzly on Vancouver Island, if you added say 4 knots to the
possible 14 knots out of one of the tidal rapids from the mainland inlets,
that's 18 knots. Or was that 18kph, or? Okay, let's get a GPS on that
wayward Ursus! :-)

Doug Lloyd
Victoria BC



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