Paddlewisers, I hate the new seats a lot of companies, such as Necky and Wilderness Systems, are now putting in their kayaks. Talk about extra weight and overkill! They remind me of reclining armchairs. Custom carved foam seats rule! I'll take a block of foam over a "Phase 3" seat any day. Duane Strosaker www.rollordrown.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <jfarrelly5_at_comcast.net> To: <paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Tempest and Chatham outfitting (was: Seaward outfitting) > Are the days of being a manly man and carving your own seat and pads > numbered? I refuse to be assimilated! Unless it means an elevated butt > comfort level.... > > Jim et al *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Duane, Most folks don't have the skill, time, or desire to build a custom foam seat/ thigh system. In fact most folks would like to just purchase a boat and go paddling. The multi-adjustable seats being fit into the modern sea boat are an attempt at providing the customer with something that fits, is comfy, durable, and provides control to the boat. I have been outfitting with foam for nearly 20 years and in all my experience I have yet to come up with a foam outfitting system that was as adjustable, durable and EZ as the WS stystem. At going shop rates and foam costs $$$$ is also an issue. A complete seat/knee system would take $20-50 in foam and glue and 3-6 hrs. labor. steve -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Steve wrote >I have been outfitting with foam for nearly 20 >years and in all my experience I have yet to come >up with a foam outfitting system that was as >adjustable, durable and EZ as the WS stystem. G'Day I'm happy to compromise and line a seat with layers of foam sheets. This can easily and cheaply be modified from summer to winter as clothing changes, but is only suitable for skinny folk. Had forgotten how comfortable this was until I put my boat in for repair and started hiring commercial boats - how anyone could sit for hours in the average commercial seat beats me. The Klepper seat is also suprisingly uncomfortable by comparison with a foam lined seat.- I've started taking padding along when I hire boats now. All the best, PeterO *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 10:01 AM 9/16/2003 -0400, aldercreek_at_qwest.net wrote: >Duane, > >Most folks don't have the skill, time, or desire to build a custom foam >seat/ thigh system. In fact most folks would like to just purchase a boat >and go paddling. The multi-adjustable seats being fit into the modern sea >boat are an attempt at providing the customer with something that fits, is >comfy, durable, and provides control to the boat. > >I have been outfitting with foam for nearly 20 years and in all my >experience I have yet to come up with a foam outfitting system that was as >adjustable, durable and EZ as the WS stystem. At going shop rates and foam >costs $$$$ is also an issue. A complete seat/knee system would take $20-50 >in foam and glue and 3-6 hrs. labor. Spoken like someone that is in the business of selling Wilderness Systems kayaks. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
With an obvious air of sarcasm John writes>>Spoken like someone that is in the business of selling Wilderness Systems kayaks. no, actually it's spoken by someone who has nearly 20 years of experience in the business of selling AND outfitting kayaks of all types. I have been constructing foam seats, knee braces, backstraps and the like since the days of the Hollowforms, Jets and Mirages and see the new wave of boat outfitting as an alternative to the hours of labor, the cost of materials and the craftsmanship needed to 'custom outfit' a vessel cockpit. steve Alder Creek Kayak & Canoe N 45º 36.285' 250 NE Tomahawk Isle Dr. W 122º 39.841' Portland, OR 97217 Web: www.aldercreek.com Phone: 503.285.0464 Email: aldercreek_at_qwest.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 04:50 PM 9/15/2003 -0700, Strosaker wrote: >Paddlewisers, > >I hate the new seats a lot of companies, such as Necky and Wilderness >Systems, are now putting in their kayaks. Talk about extra weight and >overkill! They remind me of reclining armchairs. Custom carved foam seats >rule! I'll take a block of foam over a "Phase 3" seat any day. I agree with you. As this subject was related to an original complaint about the Seaward seat/backband, I'll continue... What I like about the Seaward approach is that it is extremely simple, making it much easier to customize for those that want to do so. Many of the seats in commercial kayaks are so integrated with the deck, hull, or sideplates that any modification almost requires cutting the whole thing out. The Seaward seat is a simple piece of foam in a nylon back with a fastex buckle to hold it in place. Making a custom fit seat is a simple matter of replacing the piece of foam with something that has been carved to fit. The hard plastic seat back is not dissimilar to the seat back I made for my Skerray, except that mine is much shorter and is constructed out of a piece of plastic garbage can and some glued on mini-cell foam. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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