I looked at the Campmor jacket and believe it is too good to be true. That is, it is coated vice a layer like Gore-Tex. The problem with a coating is it will eventually come off. At the listed price though, it might be worth it, especially if it won't be your normal rain jacket, just one you save for trips. I especially like pit zips as they are great heat regulators. <<I just picked up a breathable waterproof jacket from Campmor for $49US. Called the Red Ledge Thunderlight>> In my first paddling season I used my hiking gore-tex jacket as a paddle jacket. It was a mistake. On any roll or rescue, the arms filled with water and made things much more difficult than necessary. They also poured that scooped up water down my back if I did a high stroke. Get a "real" paddling jacket with neoprene wrists and neck or a dry top with latex. On the issue of where to store it in your boat, in my Pintail I carry extra gear in the cockpit either behind or beside the seat. I can put a small drybag with a jacket and lunch in front of the foot pegs, attached to a line so I can haul it down from the seat. Just make sure the line can't snag you while exiting or entering in an emergency. I have a day hatch in the KajakSport and love it. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Doug, please do not curse the rain. You will offend the whitewater gods. ; ) Regarding lightweight, breathable rain jackets that will fit in a Nordkapp I have found the following successful in my Nordkapp and my wife's Explorer: Me: REI Ultralight Jacket. Weighs 18 ounces. Has built in hood rolled into collar. Hood is quite good with comfort and visibility. draw cords and pockets are overkill. Stuffs down to a small package. DWR treatment has not been exceeded by conditions yet, though it could. I paid 60 USD for it on an after Xmas sale. http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?productId=47592211& storeId=8000&catalogId=40000008000&langId=-1 Wife: Sierra Designs Genesis. The closest thing to it is a Chamonix, but is a bit fancier than her first gen version of similar product. Weighs 13 ounces. Nice jacket! Good hood and just enough features to keep it very usable. I like hers better, but she paid a hundred bucks for it and thought mine was just as good for less. I like the idea of a shell and utilizing the fleece and under layers needed anyway for paddling and camping. Cheers, Rob G *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Kokatat has a new British style pullover rain jacket. Breathable and only $169. Too good to be true? Somebody buy it and tell the rest of us. Jim et al *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 12/4/2003 12:52:55 PM Central Standard Time, jfarrelly5_at_comcast.net writes: > Kokatat has a new British style pullover rain jacket I've looked at this a couple of times, as well as the anorak from Kokatat, which seems to meet my needs more (easier to pull on and off with the longer zipper). I have a Skanorak from Patagonia--first production they did--which isn't breathable, so I've only worn it about 10 times in the 8 to 10 years I've owned it. In my quest for a waterproof/breathable rain jacket/anorak for wearing both on the water and on shore (camp), I've narrowed my search down to the Skanorak from Lotus Designs (Patagonia) and the Gore-Tex PacLite Anorak from Kokatat. Would be interested in hearing from all who have experience with either or both. So far, I've not been able to try on the Skanorak. Does anyone know if it fits same as the PacLite Anorak? According to catalog, the Skanorak is sized to fit over a PFD, which would be a good thing when on the water. The PacLite Anorak does not seem to be sized to fit over PFD. Thanks for any and all input. John Browning Milwaukee, Wisconsin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I had to forward this link from NRS, there "OverSea Tour Jacket" for your consideration! I have not purchased this jacket but it maybe worth looking at! Bill Doody http://www.nrscatalog.com/product.asp?pfid=2584 ----- Original Message ----- From: <Seakayakerjb_at_aol.com> To: <PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Weatherproof Jacket > In a message dated 12/4/2003 12:52:55 PM Central Standard Time, > jfarrelly5_at_comcast.net writes: *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Important point they highlight in description - loose fit, to put it over PFD. And again, no waterproofness rating. I wonder, how us, ignorant users, suppose to know if its material is like jogging jacket with light protection layer on nylon, or anyting better, and how much better? > > I had to forward this link from NRS, there "OverSea Tour Jacket" for your > > consideration! I have not purchased this jacket but it maybe worth > looking > > at! > > Bill Doody > > > > > > http://www.nrscatalog.com/product.asp?pfid=2584 *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Carey Parks" <cparks_at_fuse.net> asked: >> Newbie here, with a question that you long timers probably solved - where does one stash all these things that you might want to use when the conditions deteriorate? [snip] Should I build a stripper and add a "storm hatch", which like a "day hatch" can be accessed without opening a hatch? Do people use deck bags? Back-pouches? Carey, I keep extra layers at my hip under the sprayskirt. This is only practical because I paddle a very wide boat (24 inch beam). In any case, chances are that one's paddle jacket should handle the rain duty. The usual rain jacket designs do not work well on the water: they leak at the wrists, and are pretty useless if you capsize. If conditions do not warrant a paddle jacket (i.e., you can do OK in a capsize without immersion protection on your upper body), then an ordinary rain jacket is workable as add-on rain protection. We never have those conditions here, though, so my rain jacket is strictly a camp item and sees no use on the water. I also I like Alex's suggestion: >> Deck bags are costly and bulky, and they leak if you capsize or in high waves, but they work for things that don't have to be dry - like waterproof camera or rainjacket or water bottle. In fact, any waist pouch of proper size, buckled on the deck, will do. >> I use a converted fanny pack as my "deck bag" but with no pretensions that it is waterproof. It is well forward of the cockpit so it is out of the way in the event of a self rescue, and holds a little food, some nav gear, and water -- just the bare essentials needed if conditions prevent me from opening my sprayskirt to reach underneath for my more extensive gear kit (charts, food, warm hat, etc.). A lightweight rain jacket would fit in there, also. Larger deck bags are impractical in rough conditions, IMHO. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Tim said (snip): >I'm a fan of carrying one really good jacket for one-water and in-camp...I think bringing a rain jacket is redundant and just leaves you with one more piece of wet gear to pack away.< One of the nice things about the lightweight shore-duty jackets is that they dry so quickly with a bit of sun/heat or wind combination. However, the more gear, not so always the merrier. I just find my drytop impossible to use for camp duties, and an anorak style cag with hood (a reasonable double-duty item) not so good for really rough water paddling. Then again, in really inclement cold weather, for on-water use, those expedition cags with the hood (and latex wrist seals) are a godsend (I imagine), without necessitating a neo hood to keep you warm in the sideways rain/snow stuff. No perfect answers, though a custom fit Gortex drysuit with built-in over hood would be nice to own. Doug Lloyd Victoria BC *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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