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From: <Rick.Sylvia_at_ferguson.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Glacier Bay - was "Where ya paddlin in '04"
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:23:46 -0500
Regarding a trip to Glacier Bay, and in response to Rev. Bob's question
about "East or West arm", Tom concluded with...

 Any suggestions would be welcome.  (I have always enjoyed
> your trip reports.)

Please post any suggestions "front" channel rather than back channel.
Glacier Bay is also a dream trip of mine that I know will be at minimum
3 years away, if not more.  I'm hording as much info as I can get my
hands on, and therefore would love to see your suggestions.

Rick
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From: James <jimtibensky_at_fastmail.fm>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Glacier Bay - was "Where ya paddlin in '04"
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 06:45:58 -0800
Regarding a trip to Glacier Bay, and in response to Rev. Bob's question 
about "East or West arm", Tom concluded with...  Any suggestions would be
welcome.  (I have always enjoyed your trip reports.)

Please post any suggestions "front" channel rather than back channel.


I have only been in Glacier Bay twice, a week of paddling each time. 
Both were East Arm.  On the last trip we got a tour of the West Arm by
the pickup boat.  I'll be happy to share details.  East arm paddling is
relatively easy because the thing is smaller and, a bit, more protected. 
No cruise boats, either.  Glacier Bay is one of the great paddling
destinations of the world, if only for the whales.

Jim Tibensky
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From: <Rick.Sylvia_at_ferguson.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Glacier Bay - was "Where ya paddlin in '04"
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:39:35 -0500
Jim said;
 
> I have only been in Glacier Bay twice, a week of paddling each time.
> Both were East Arm.  On the last trip we got a tour of the West Arm by
> the pickup boat.  I'll be happy to share details.  

Thanks, Jim.  My trip is probably several years off, so I haven't done
any specific planning, and therefore don't have any specific questions
yet.  But, if you have trip reports or pictures that you can share, it
would be very helpful in eventually figuring out things like the routes
I want to take, and so forth.

Come to think of it, I do have a somewhat specific question afterall.

I'm sure the web will turn up a number of local outfitters, water taxis,
and so forth.  While searching, are there any companies that you DO
recommend or any that you would suggest steering clear of?

THANKS A BUNCH!

Rick
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From: Rev. Bob Carter <revkayak_at_aptalaska.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Glacier Bay - was "Where ya paddlin in '04"
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:10:52 -0900
> Please post any suggestions "front" channel rather than back channel.
> Glacier Bay is also a dream trip of mine that I know will be at minimum
> 3 years away, if not more.  I'm hording as much info as I can get my
> hands on, and therefore would love to see your suggestions.
>
> Rick

I will offer a few more thoughts on Glacier Bay

DON'T DELAY: Don't wait three or four years, go now while you have your
health and your dreams. Life has too many uncertainities to wait.

BE FLEXIBLE with your schedule.your perfect route you planned all winter may
be quickly overruled by bear problems. The park service will close down a
camping site due to bear problems. (the problem  usually begin as a human
problem i.e. bad camping practices) The result is you will need to paddle
longer distances to your campsite

BE REALISTIC ON PADDLE DISTANCES weather and the gawk factor can slow you
down

WEATHER can get serious fast in Glacier Bay and damn cold. Wind whipping off
the glaciers will bite through about any clothing. Add the rain of Southeast
and if you are not prepared you will be hurting quickly. On the other hand
we had four days of sunshine and t - shirt paddling weather so expect the
worst and rejoice in the best.

DO NOT FEED YOURSELF TO THE BEARS; practice safe bear camping and remember
there are no guns allowed in Glacier Bay

DO NOT FORGET TO PACK YOUR CHILDHOOD IMAGINATION What I loved most about
Glacier Bay was the ice that was sculptured by wind and waves. Wild
creatures, ancient castles, birds on  the wing all protrayed in floating
ice. Beautiful beyond words.


If you are interested a while back I posted a trip report from my trip to
Glacier Bay back in 89. It is long with I am sure more info than you are
looking for but I could back channel post it to you if you want.

Happy paddling
Bob
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From: Rev. Bob Carter <revkayak_at_aptalaska.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Glacier Bay - was "Where ya paddlin in '04"
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:09:55 -0900
----- >
> Bob, that's certainly sound advice. But, here's my issue.  I've only
> been paddling a few years, have no roll, and marginal self rescue
> skills, and as I understand it, Glacier Bay can be a deadly place if
> unprepared.  I'm just now getting geared up to "get serious".  In
> addition to that, I have trouble taking more than one week of vacation
> at a time (I'll be coming from Virginia), I have nobody to go with,
> won't go solo due to the skills issue above, and can't afford the $2500
> to pay an outfitter for an organized tour on top of the other trip
> expenses.  Any suggestions?
>
>
Rick,
First I will compliment you on knowing and staying within your own
limitations. You will out live many who foolishly plunge ahead.
Glacier Bay...set some goals and set a time frame
for example this winter attend pool sessions and learn to roll and get the
self rescue techniques down.This spring paddle as much as you can. This
summer go on an extended trip locally. As your skills build so will your
confidence....
Then begin to share your dream of Glacier bay with some of the folks on
paddlewise and it may come to pass in a couple summers that a group of
paddlewisers gather together for a grand trip into Glacier Bay.

Just think of it sitting in your kayak in ice berg laden waters under the
Alaska midnight sun having endless  debates about rudders! (Sorry gang I
couldn't resist)

Hope you do make it to Glacier Bay soon
Bob
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From: degamo <degamo_at_mindspring.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Glacier Bay - was "Where ya paddlin in '04"
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:30:19 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
I would second Bob's thoughts and add make sure you read and/or take with you to read John Muir's _Travels in Alaska_.  Muir's Glacier Bay and yours will be very different but it gives you an idea about how dynamic the landscape is.

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From: "Rev. Bob Carter" <revkayak_at_aptalaska.net>
Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Glacier Bay - was "Where ya paddlin in '04"

I will offer a few more thoughts on Glacier Bay

DON'T DELAY: Don't wait three or four years, go now while you have your
health and your dreams. Life has too many uncertainities to wait.
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