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From: Rev. Bob Carter <revkayak_at_aptalaska.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] disaster in the making
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:43:39 -0900
Someone is trying to put together a marathon kayak race mostly on the outer
coast of Alaska. It looks like a disaster in the making. You can check it out
at:

www.kayakathon.com

I rolled my eyes reading their web site. The outter coast of Alaska is remote,
rugged and storm ravaged. If they ever get this race off the ground at some
point a storm will pin everyone down including the support boats. There are
long stretches where the only landing will be ragged surf landings and that
ought to weed out the competition quickly.
Historically the Russian fur traders forced the Aleuts to kayak this very same
route in search of the sea otters. Hundreds of Aleuts perished along the
remote coast. This race sounds like a disaster in the making.
Also they are paddling north to south which is against the current of the
flood tide, not to mention prevailing southeast winds.

      To add to the "fun" of this race the time of the race late July through
August, usually is blessed with lots of rain.

If they are serious about such a race they should start in Seattle and go
north and stay in the protected inside waters.
I also doubt they will pull together the prize money.

I have decided to support the race by offering the couples when they reach
Petersburg, free marriage counseling. I have a feeling they are going to need
it.

Sorry to sound so pessimistic but I have paddled many miles of the outside and
I know what storms can do up here.

Hopefully I am wrong.
Bob
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From: Michael Daly <michaeldaly_at_rogers.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] disaster in the making
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 00:19:12 -0500
On 17 Jan 2004 at 14:43, Rev. Bob Carter wrote:

> Someone is trying to put together a marathon kayak race mostly on the
> outer coast of Alaska. It looks like a disaster in the making. You can
> check it out at:
> 
> www.kayakathon.com

>From the web site it sounds like the organizer sees dollar signs in 
front of his eyes.  I wouldn't be surprised to find out he can't tell 
one end of a kayak from the other.

Unfortunately, many reports of events like this make it sound like 
adventure racers, raid organizers and the like are clueless about 
safety.  Like they say, stupidity is the only thing in the universe 
more common that hydrogen.

Mike
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From: Donald Schoengold <schoengold_at_earthlink.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] disaster in the making
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:00:39 -0800
Another variation of the stupidity quote is attributed to Einstein - "The
only thing that I know of that is infinite is the Universe and Human
Stupidity - and I am not sure of the Universe".

Mike wrote:

The guy is trying to put together yet another reality show - how bright
could he be?

Unfortunately, many reports of events like this make it sound like
adventure racers, raid organizers and the like are clueless about
safety.  Like they say, stupidity is the only thing in the universe
more common that hydrogen.
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From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk_at_rockandwater.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] disaster in the making
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:22:26 -0500
On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 12:19:12AM -0500, Michael Daly wrote:
> >From the web site it sounds like the organizer sees dollar signs in 
> front of his eyes.  I wouldn't be surprised to find out he can't tell 
> one end of a kayak from the other.

That appears to succinctly capture all the entire affair.  On the one
hand, he's so cheap that (quoting from the site);

	While in Anchorage I visited REI and found an excellent atlas
	that shall be the official mapping tool for the race.  The title
	of the book is "Alaska Atlas & Gazetter" by DeLorme.
	It cost $19.95 [...]

(I would think that REAL maps, as in USGS topos and similar, would
be a far better idea.)

and on the other hand he's stupid enough to waste money:

	Today Submission-pro.com was hired to submit the Kayakathon.com
	web site to 150 major search engines. We should be listed in
	all the major search engines in 4 to 6 weeks

(Nobody with the slightest bit of web savvy does this: it's pointless.)


Of course, if this event really does go down, and something goes wrong,
the headlines will scream:

	Kayaking tragedy off Alaska's coast

instead of

	Money-grubbing opportunist gets gullible idiots killed

---Rsk
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From: Patrick Maun <patrick_at_patrickmaun.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:45:43 -0600
Hi all,

don't know if this has been mentioned before, but this just came 
across my desk. A new waterproof digital camera. Looks like it's 3MP 
and they are selling it for $200. They also sell some digital 
binoculars that include a camera. I think you can order them directly 
from them and possibly Amamzon. The website is a little confusing. 
Enjoy!

http://www.ffreefire.com/new/product.asp?pdt=ec300wp

-Patrick
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From: Steve Holtzman <sh_at_actglobal.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 15:56:48 -0800
Patrick Maun said:
> ........A new waterproof digital camera. Looks like it's 3MP 
> and they are selling it for $200. 

Patrick,

It says it's waterproof to 5 meter. I wouldn't think that would be ok if
you got hit by a breaking wave or capsized.

Just my 2 cents

Steve Holtzman
Southern CA
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From: Michael Daly <michaeldaly_at_rogers.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 00:40:18 -0500
On 26 Jan 2004 at 15:56, Steve Holtzman wrote:

> It says it's waterproof to 5 meter. I wouldn't think that would be ok
> if you got hit by a breaking wave or capsized.

That puts it in the same class as the old Minolta Weathermatics, 
which worked fine for paddling or snorkeling.  Unless you're talking 
about a 16+m wave, I'd not worry too much.  If you are talking about 
a breaking wave bigger than that, the camera would be the least of my 
worries :-).

Mike
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From: Keith Wrage <keith.wrage_at_charter.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 07:00:06 -0600
It doesn't appear that this camera is available anywhere in the US.

K
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From: Steve Brown <steve_at_brown-web.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:03:33 -0800
The Sony is rated waterproof to 5 feet, but so far it forks fine, including
in surf.
I'll be complaining loudly if it fails.

Steve Brown

-----Original Message-----
 Patrick Maun said:
> ........A new waterproof digital camera. Looks like it's 3MP 
> and they are selling it for $200. 

Patrick,

It says it's waterproof to 5 meter. I wouldn't think that would be ok if
you got hit by a breaking wave or capsized.

Just my 2 cents

Steve Holtzman
Southern CA
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From: Steve Brown <steve_at_brown-web.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 15:55:22 -0800
FYI: A waterproof digital from Sony:
http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_Dis
playProductInformation-Start;sid=TN_E2wWqKY7EzkW_5NzO0Eq73iILsSOd-XI=?Produc
tSKU=DSCU60KITIS&Dept=dcc&CategoryName=dcc_DIDigitalCameras_CybershotUDigita
lCameras

In case the link didn't work it's the DSC-U60. I have one that I have used
on a few trips now and there are no problems as yet. I just ordered a second
one for Vickie so I can get myself in the picture from time-to-time.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home
sells them cheaper than Sony and their shipping is better. Be sure and get a
128M or 256M memory stick

The AAA NmH batteries have a really long life with the screen back light
off. Not as good with it on, but adequate. Most kayaking is in daylight
anyway. I ordered addition batteries as well for multi-day trips.

No zoom, so you need to be close for anything meaningful, but it fits right
into a PFD pocket. Doesn't float, so I keep it on a 24" tether.

Steve Brown

-----Original Message-----
 
Hi all,

don't know if this has been mentioned before, but this just came 
across my desk. A new waterproof digital camera. Looks like it's 3MP 
and they are selling it for $200. They also sell some digital 
binoculars that include a camera. I think you can order them directly 
from them and possibly Amamzon. The website is a little confusing. 
Enjoy!

http://www.ffreefire.com/new/product.asp?pdt=ec300wp

-Patrick
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From: Keith Wrage <keith.wrage_at_charter.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 07:51:32 -0600
>It doesn't appear that this camera is available anywhere in the US.

Sorry - I meant that the ffreefire camera - 3 MP, $200 - from the original 
post.  Doesn't appear that Amazon carries it - and the usual search engines 
didn't ID any other retailers in the States.

K


Keith Wrage
1925 Sandalwood Drive
Onalaska, WI  54650
(608) 781-3441
(608) 317-7550 (cell)
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From: Pete Cragg <critters_at_houston.rr.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Jammed two piece Werner Paddle
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:36:39 -0600
I have a Werner Kuaiua (spelling?), it is a two piece take apart touring 
paddle that is jammed in the locked position.

I have tried soaking it in water, no luck, still stuck.

I have tried WD-40, still stuck.

Any body have any Ideas?

Safe Paddling

-- 
Pete Cragg
Scoutmaster
Troop 889
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From: alex <al.m_at_3web.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Jammed two piece Werner Paddle
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:24:20 -0800
 Try pushing the push-button inside and away from the hole, so it won't get
into way.  Then rotate/pull apart.

> I have a Werner Kuaiua (spelling?), it is a two piece take apart touring
> paddle that is jammed in the locked position.
>
> I have tried soaking it in water, no luck, still stuck.
>
> I have tried WD-40, still stuck.
>
> Any body have any Ideas?
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From: Kevin Dyer <kd.dyer_at_bluewin.ch>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Jammed two piece Werner Paddle
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 07:21:26 +0100
Pete Cragg wrote:

> I have a Werner Kuaiua (spelling?), it is a two piece take apart 
> touring paddle that is jammed in the locked position.
>
Try heating the joint with hot air from an air gun or hair dryer or, 
failing that pouring hot water over the joint. Whilst still hot, pack 
ice or pour cold water over the INNER half of the joint. Then use WD40. 
You may need to repeat this several times.
Cheers,
Kevin
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From: Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Jammed two piece Werner Paddle
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 07:49:38 -0800
Takes two strong guys.

To free the frozen joint, put one blade in the first guy's armpit to hold the
paddle firmly.  Avoid clamping at a point (such as with a C-clamp or
similar) -- that may cause the blade to fail.

The second guy twists the other blade, slowy, using his hands.  The first guy
may have to be braced against a wall.

I freed a Werner joint this way once, at their suggestion.  Otherwise, you'll
have to return it to them.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
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From: Geoff Jennings <geoff_at_texaskilonewton.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:10:53 -0700 (PDT)
I don't have the latest one, but I have the Pentax 33 WR, this camera you are
asking about's predecessor.   I've been VERY happy with my Pentx Optio 33WR.   
 It 
is a
Water Resitant case, but I've been wearing mine in my PFD pocket for 
1.5 years,
with no additional water protection, I do more whitewater kayaking than sea
kayaking, so the camera gets wet.  I've taken long swims, been pummeled upside
down, etc, etc.   No problems. I also dunk it to rinse frequently. I keep it
tethered in my PFD 
pocket,
which is great on the river, I can shoot from sketchy eddies without 
even
popping my skirt.   Mine has mostly been used in fresh water, but I've 
used it
in salt waterr too.   WIth recharchable batteries, I can shoot 80-100 
frames on
one charge. I really can't imagine a better paddlers camera.     

Most all of the pictures I've put on my website from the past year and 
a half
were shot with the camera.  Http://www.texaskilonewton.com

As an additional bonus, it's pretty affordable.  I think list on mine 
was $349,
but I found it online for 250-ish.   Less than the case for many other 
brands
digitals.   

The new one lookss like an updated version of this. Even better waterproofing,
although a few downsides are that it has no optical viewfinder (the LCD is hard
to use in bright sun) and I believe that it takes a special lithium battery. 

Geoff 
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From: Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:41:36 -0700
For on the water shots, I use an outdated 2.0 Mpixel Olympus D-520 Zoom, 
which is not waterproof at all.  But, it is probably pretty worthless now if 
I were to sell it, so I don't worry about dropping it in the drink.  Yet, at 
2 megapixels, the snapshot quality is pretty good for sharing photos with 
others electronically.  No way are the shots magazine quality, but I get a 
lot of shots others with more valuable cameras miss, because mine is always 
ready for use.

The trick is that I keep it in a Pelican MicroCase 1020 lanyarded to the deck 
of my sea kayak. This case is small, completely waterproof, and flips open 
easily for use of the camera.  I get my shot, restore the camera to the case, 
shut it, slap the case back under a bungie and keep on paddling.

If I need to reposition to get a better shot, the 1020 stays open and the 
camera's wrist sling goes between my teeth while I regroup, leaving both 
hands free to manage the paddle, etc.  Then I drop the paddle (it's on a 
leash) to get another shot, and stuff the camera away.

If the camera dies, then I'll think about investing in a waterproof one ... 
but my technique won't change, because I'll still need to have an on the deck 
storage box, so the camera will still be instantly available.

[I also own a Pentax Zoom90 WR, which goes on trips equipped with slide film, 
but I don't think anybody who does serious photography would regard this 
camera as capable of decent images:  the lens just is not that good.  I use 
it when I want direct slide images, for shots where the light values are 
extreme.]

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR 
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From: <cholst_at_bitstream.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:30:16 -0500 (CDT)
For those of you with digital point-and shoots, how high an ISO setting do
you typically use? I've heard that the P&S cameras aren't as usable at
high sensitivities as the digital SLRs.

On our last long trip (Silver Islet to Rossport on Lake Superior) my wife
and I used three cameras: my Nikon D70 for onshore use, my Nikonos V
loaded with Sensia 100 slide film for on-water use, and my wife's Pentax
IQ 105WR loaded with an ISO 400 negative film for general use. I scanned
the slides and negatives to put together with the digital pictures for a
digital slide show we're giving at REI Bloomington in the Twin Cities next
Monday.

It certainly was interesting, not to say frustrating, trying to get the
same color balance out of those three very different sources. It also gave
me a better appreciation for my D70, whose photos became the standard to
which I attempted to match the other photos. The ISO 400 negative film was
worst, both for color-matching and for grain.

Now my wife wants a digital camera. I must say that the Optio WP looks
like it might be a good choice for a kayaker.

Chuck Holst
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From: Keith Wrage <keith.wrage_at_charter.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:01:08 -0500
I also shoot the D70 when on dry ground - but a point and shoot digital on 
the water.  Simply, (as you probably do) I use the lowest ISO setting I can 
possibly use.  You are correct that the P&S do not handle higher 
sensitivities worth a dang.  On the D70, you can crank it up well over 800 
if necessary and still have passable image quality.  Also, be aware that 
the ISO values are very different.  The bottom end on the Nikon CP8700 is 
"50" but the bottom end on the D70 is "200".  I can say from owning one 
that the 8700 can't go much over "100" without starting to really look bad 
in my opinion.  So 200 on the D70 is not the same as 200 on a P&S.

Not sure that helps you much.  Seems to me that Photoshop has a image 
balancing filter or feature - load in an image and it will adjust 
subsequent images to "match".  Haven't used it but might be useful for your 
task at hand.

K
Who just today dropped his D70 for the first time...on carpet...but still 
the sickening 'crack' when it hit still makes my blood run 
cold....everything appears to be functioning but oh my.
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From: Tord Eriksson <tord_at_tord.nu>
subject: [Paddlewise] Fwd: Re: New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 23:25:41 +0200
On Friday 15 April 2005 20.01, Keith wrote:
    

> I also shoot the D70 when on dry ground - but a point and shoot digital on
> the water.  Simply, (as you probably do) I use the lowest ISO setting I can
> possibly use.  You are correct that the P&S do not handle higher
> sensitivities worth a dang.  On the D70, you can crank it up well over 800
> if necessary and still have passable image quality.  Also, be aware that
> the ISO values are very different.  The bottom end on the Nikon CP8700 is
> "50" but the bottom end on the D70 is "200".  I can say from owning one
> that the 8700 can't go much over "100" without starting to really look bad
> in my opinion.  So 200 on the D70 is not the same as 200 on a P&S.

That's my experience, too!

> Not sure that helps you much.  Seems to me that Photoshop has a image
> balancing filter or feature - load in an image and it will adjust
> subsequent images to "match".  Haven't used it but might be useful for your
> task at hand.

"Levels" works best - drag the right arrow till the graph starts (no
graph height means no info in the picture around the top settings).

But you have to under-expose a little to get the best high lights,
so to speak ._)! Washout in the light areas is nasty, remember that!

Tord

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From: Tord Eriksson <tord_at_tord.nu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:24:18 +0200
On Friday 15 April 2005 19.30, you wrote:
> For those of you with digital point-and shoots, how high an ISO setting do
> you typically use? I've heard that the P&S cameras aren't as usable at
> high sensitivities as the digital SLRs.

My Konica KD-500Z has just one setting, and that is not very high
(I would guess 160), and I have not found that a problem outdoors.

See

www.foldingkayaks.org/gallery/tord

I underexpose a step and a half,
to prevent white areas from
washing out.

Then I reset the exposure range using
GIMP 2.2, Photoshop 7.0, Photoshop Elements,
or similar, using the levels function (not autolevels,
please).

My Olympus C-8080WZ is much trickier
to get a good result from, and its colours
are not as true, but indoors it is a much
more capable camera, and at night as well.

So for daylight photography, even at sunset
a single speed is OK and usually produces
much less noise than a camera with 25-400
range.

But at low level, with noise reduction on
the C-8080 is amazing!

Tord
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From: Michael Daly <mikedaly_at_magma.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 20:34:36 -0400
On 15 Apr 2005 at 12:30, cholst_at_bitstream.net wrote:

> D70, whose photos became the standard to
> which I attempted to match the other photos.

Anyone who holds a Nikon SLR as a standard for comparison for lesser 
cameras deserves to be disappointed. :-)

Having compared my Minolta and Canon SLR output to other cameras for 
several decades, I know better than to expect anything to match 
Nikon.  Their lenses seem to make all the difference.  I only wish I 
was smart enough to admit that to myself years ago (i.e before 
spending all that money on Minoltas and Canons).

Mike

PS - I'll make no claims about Nikons of the point-and-shoot or 
digital P&S persuasion.
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From: <cholst_at_bitstream.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:23:39 -0500 (CDT)
In this case, anyway, I was speaking of color balance. The colors from the
D70, when the white balance was set correctly, just seemed so much more
accurate than the colors from the scanned slides and negatives, which took
a fair bit of tweaking. Also, the scans from the ISO 400 negatives showed
quite a bit more grain than the pictures from the D70 taken at ISO 400. In
fact, they most closely resembled the noise in the D70 pictures taken at
ISO 1600.

Chuck Holst

> On 15 Apr 2005 at 12:30, cholst_at_bitstream.net wrote:
>
>> D70, whose photos became the standard to
>> which I attempted to match the other photos.
>
> Anyone who holds a Nikon SLR as a standard for comparison for lesser
> cameras deserves to be disappointed. :-)
>
> Having compared my Minolta and Canon SLR output to other cameras for
> several decades, I know better than to expect anything to match
> Nikon.  Their lenses seem to make all the difference.  I only wish I
> was smart enough to admit that to myself years ago (i.e before
> spending all that money on Minoltas and Canons).
>
> Mike
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From: Tord Eriksson <tord_at_tord.nu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:56:51 +0200
On Tuesday 19 April 2005 19.23, you wrote:
> In this case, anyway, I was speaking of color balance. The colors from the
> D70, when the white balance was set correctly, just seemed so much more
> accurate than the colors from the scanned slides and negatives, which took
> a fair bit of tweaking. Also, the scans from the ISO 400 negatives showed
> quite a bit more grain than the pictures from the D70 taken at ISO 400. In
> fact, they most closely resembled the noise in the D70 pictures taken at
> ISO 1600.

Yeah, a nice camera!

Better than my Olympus C-8080, by a wide margin, even if they
cost about the same!

Tord
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From: <cholst_at_bitstream.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 12:56:25 -0500 (CDT)
Now if only Nikon would come out with a digital version of the Nikonos --
with a DSLR-quality sensor, of course. I'd buy the new one and sell my old
Nikonos V in an instant.

Chuck Holst
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From: Tord Eriksson <tord_at_tord.nu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:43:11 +0200
On Wednesday 20 April 2005 19.56, you wrote:
> Now if only Nikon would come out with a digital version of the Nikonos --
> with a DSLR-quality sensor, of course. I'd buy the new one and sell my old
> Nikonos V in an instant.

Hear, hear!

Mr Nikon, are you listening???

Tord
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From: Peter Treby <ptreby_at_ozemail.com.au>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 10:08:10 +1000
Anyone have any good tricks for keeping saltwater droplets off the lens 
cover area of a waterproof housing?
Cheers PT
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From: Steve Holtzman <sh_at_actglobal.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:16:48 -0700
I carry a dry lens cloth in a Ziploc bag in my pfd pocket. I've seen others
just dip theirs into the water. Doesn't work on my camera as it still leaves
one big drop at the bottom of the lens. 

Steve Holtzman
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From: Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:56:53 -0700
A small piece of Chamois cloth (auto parts store) kept in a plastic bag in a 
PFD pocket does a pretty good job of dewatering glasses lenses, housings, 
etc.  Absorbs water well even when damp.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR 
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From: Peter Treby <ptreby_at_ozemail.com.au>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Dealing with Salt Spots
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 17:56:04 +1000
I should have said that I've tried the dry lens cloth in a zip lock bag. This works, but only until the cloth is wet and has to be washed and dried. Rain X doesn't seem effective for too long, seems to wear off or become less effective over time. I've also tried keeping a bit of car wash cloth tethered inside my hat, but sweat and salt soak it. I'll try the spit on the lens idea, combined with this, many thanks, hadn't thought of it:
"I purchased a plastic-handled rubber squeegee for washing windows, cut off a small length of the squeegee that's just a bit shorter than the glass lens cover of my old Nikon Action Touch"
Cheers, PT.
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From: Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Dealing with Salt Spots
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 01:35:50 -0700
"Peter Treby" <ptreby_at_ozemail.com.au> wrote:

> I've also tried keeping a bit of car wash cloth tethered inside my hat, but 
> sweat and salt soak it.

Peter, just move it inside an envelope of plastic inside a PFD pocket. 
That's what I use.  Lasts all day.  Rinse in fresh water at night, allow to 
dry and it's good as gold the next morning.

--
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From: Tord Eriksson <tord_at_tord.nu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Dealing with Salt Spots
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 20:52:57 +0200
On Sunday 17 April 2005 09.56, you wrote:
> I should have said that I've tried the dry lens cloth in a zip lock bag.
> This works, but only until the cloth is wet and has to be washed and dried.

The cotton bag (made out of a corduroy trousers leg bit, remember?), that I 
carry my compact in does double service a polishing cloth - works very well!

Tord
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From: Keith Wrage <keith.wrage_at_charter.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 19:17:21 -0500
At 10:08 AM 4/17/2005 +1000, you wrote:
>Anyone have any good tricks for keeping saltwater droplets off the lens 
>cover area of a
>waterproof housing?

I created an elastic band (using 2" wide waistband kind of elastic) that 
slips over the camera - with a soft 'patch' in the lens cover area.  To use 
it, I pick up the camera and slip the elastic band down over my hand/wrist 
for storage while shooting the pic (beats dropping it overboard!).  Take 
the picture then slip the elastic back onto the camera and stow it.

Depending on how much water you take on and where you stow the camera, the 
patch may stay dry, and serve to absorb the droplets that DO get on the 
lens cover.

Just one solution - probably much more elegant ones out there.

K
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From: Greg Dunlap <blackey_at_sonic.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 18:00:29 -0700
Used to do a bit of diving and we always used spit on the inside of the mask
and camera case to keep condensation from forming.  Have you wet your finger
and swirled it around the outside of the lens.  Saliva is lower in viscosity
than water and when water reacts to it, it slides off.

Worth a try anyway
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From: John Kirk-Anderson <jka_at_netaccess.co.nz>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 22:28:23 +1200
on 17/4/05 13:00, Greg Dunlap at blackey_at_sonic.net wrote:

> Have you wet your finger
> and swirled it around the outside of the lens.
>

WARNING: I tried this on my Nikonos, and while the lens looked clear, all
the shots had a soft-focus quality. Very artistic, but of little use.

Cheers

JKA

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Banks Peninsula
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From: Erik Sprenne <sprenne_at_netnitco.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 20:20:37 -0500
> Anyone have any good tricks for keeping saltwater droplets off the lens
> cover area of a waterproof housing?

I purchased a plastic-handled rubber squeegee for washing windows, cut
off a small length of the squeegee that's just a bit shorter than the
glass lens cover of my old Nikon Action Touch (waterproof to 3m), drilled
a small hole in one end, and tied to the camera strap with a piece of
cord.  Just prior to taking a picture, two swipes with the squeegee
removes all the water droplets from the lens - no muss, no fuss with
keeping anything dry or fumbling with zip-loc bags.  Of course, the lens
coating has been abraded off the glass lens cover with almost 20 years of
squeegeeing, but the camera still takes great pictures!

Erik Sprenne
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From: Peter Treby <ptreby_at_ozemail.com.au>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:08:11 +1000
"Take your index finger and pull it down along your nose, (that's the outside of your nose) then wipe it across the lens filter.  The oil from your skin will prevent water droplets from forming on the lens filter."
Clearly you don't need sunscreen like we do here!
Cheers, PT
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From: Donald Schoengold <schoengold_at_earthlink.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] disaster in the making
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 16:11:24 -0800
Two things of note on his site.

1. He has bought a boat that may be used as the "soul" (his spelling, not
mine) support of the race.  Do you think the error is Freudian?

2. He is based in Hawaii, not Alaska.  Wonder how much he knows about
Alaska - such as it is sort of cold there.

DON

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Subject: [Paddlewise] disaster in the making


Someone is trying to put together a marathon kayak race mostly on the outer
coast of Alaska. It looks like a disaster in the making. You can check it
out
at:

www.kayakathon.com

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From: <jfarrelly5_at_comcast.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] disaster in the making
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:14:38 -0500
This whole thing smells of a scam.  He is obsessed with money.  Think
Nigeria......An eighth grader could do a better job convincing me this is
real.

Jim et al
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> Subject: [Paddlewise] disaster in the making
>
>
> Someone is trying to put together a marathon kayak race mostly on the
outer
> coast of Alaska. It looks like a disaster in the making. You can check it
> out
> at:
>
> www.kayakathon.com
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From: Shawn Baker <shawnkayak_at_yahoo.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] disaster in the making
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:18:14 -0800 (PST)
So, Reverend Bob,

This guy is supposedly a former Alaska commercial fisherman.  I don't
believe it.  I've never fished, but have friends who have...and their
regard for and respect for and fear of the sea is spiritual.  

Nobody who has faced death like that would encourage someone else
to..for fun.

Shawn
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From: Rev. Bob Carter <revkayak_at_aptalaska.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] disaster in the making
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:19:47 -0900
Carey wrote,

> Hi Bob,
>
> If I were you, I'd point the local coasties to the web site and say
nothing
> more than "Just wanted to make sure you know about this." It's a public
> site, so you are not spilling any beans or defaming and character. But
they
> should be the ones to judge what resposne if any is appropriate, not us
> here.
>

Carey,
I was planning to go down to the coast guard station in town tomorrow and do
what you suggested. Just make sure they are aware of it.
My main concern with the race is that someone with little or no experience
is going to try the race and get in trouble fast. The first leg of the race
is a three day 158 mile run from Kodiak to the Homer area which includes a
couple long open crossing. Not a place for the weak of heart.
Thanks
Bob
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From: Rev. Bob Carter <revkayak_at_aptalaska.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] disaster in the making
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:17:32 -0900
> I'd be interested to hear what the Coasties say. > Carey

The local CG officer flipped out when I showed him the web site. He was
deeply concerned not only that kayakers may get in serious trouble but that
his fellow CG members will have to risk their lives in the rescue.  He is
notifying the Coast Guard Commander in Juneau.

Bob
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