when the boat rolls up on edge to the point of going over save for a strong, 'deep' brace. committed is another way to say it. one that preferably doesn't have alot of neck tweaking, head throwing. My teachings focus more on hip flick and knee action rather than head balancing and j-lean. J-lean teaches you how to use your head for a counter-balance. Using your head for a cb can teach you to grab your _at_$$ instead of bracing. steve Original Message: ----------------- From: Jerry F gfoodma_at_earthlink.net Subject: [Paddlewise] deep brace? What exactly does the term 'deep brace' mean? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Dropping the head toward the water (head dink) is very complimentary with a hip-snap (driven by the knees usually). During a (successful) "deep" brace, my head will often hit the water. Doing the right thing below the waist is essential, but doing the wrong thing above the waist robs power from the hip snap. Same as rolling. I took a video of some good and bad rolling recently. Viewing it in slo-mo and frame by frame it was obvious that head position made the difference between a sloppy or strained roll or a smooth and natural one. Also, a strained roll was obviously and easily corrected by a head dink, even at the last second (100s of milliseconds really) with the boat and paddler virtually up already - at that point a brace and not even a deep one. I'm not talking about "neck tweaking, head throwing", just the difference between the head being leaned toward one shoulder verses the other. This was not due to differences in the hip-snap, because in all cases it was evident that the boat was obviously being vigorously rotated prior the torso leaving the water. Steve Brown -----Original Message----- ........ one that preferably doesn't have alot of neck tweaking, head throwing. My teachings focus more on hip flick and knee action rather than head balancing and j-lean. J-lean teaches you how to use your head for a counter-balance. Using your head for a cb can teach you to grab your _at_$$ instead of bracing. steve *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
John Fereira wrote: "It shouldn't require any more effort than a roll unless you're doing more of a sweep roll than a C-to-C...... Despite the preoccupation by many on a "head dink" I find that the far more common problem is to let the offside hand come up. What that does is effectively change the angle of the paddle shaft such that it is pointing toward the bottom of the water. As a result, any effort you provide by pulling on the water side blade will tend put pull the boat sideways instead of creating lift. Next time you practice a deep brace try holding your offside close to your body (sometimes it helps to think of squeezing an orange under your armpit) for the duration of the brace. " After reading this I went out to try it holding my offside hand lower. I noticed that it was already pretty low but further emphasizing it did help a bit, but not enough for me. Your first comment above is interesting to me. I do notice that the sweep roll requires almost no muscle. I can do it very slowly and come up almost without any effort, and it is completely reliable. When I try the C to C, I now notice that it requires the same muscle as the 'deep brace' and I sometimes miss the roll. So whatever I am doing wrong in the c to c, I am doing the same thing in the deep brace. Steve Brown wrote: "Dropping the head toward the water (head dink) is very complimentary with a hip-snap (driven by the knees usually). During a (successful) "deep" brace, my head will often hit the water. Doing the right thing below the waist is essential, but doing the wrong thing above the waist robs power from the hip snap. Same as rolling." Try as I might I cannot tell what I am doing with my head. Do you have any suggestions for head awareness training? Michael Daly wrote: "One technique that some use is to rotate the torso at the last moment so the back hits the water, not just one shoulder. This will help prevent your body from sinking as much. The brace can be done in conjunction with sliding the body up to the rear deck - not a full layback necessarily, but something to reduce your inertia. I know that some folks also do this with a partial sweep - from perpendicular to the kayak toward the stern. This partial sweep is like finishing a sweep roll and will have the effect of reducing the likelyhood of the paddle submerging as it does in a C-C type of recovery. It goes without saying that you need good hip rotation and your head is the last up. If you're comfortable with a C-C and a forward recovery, treat the deep brace as the same as the completion of a roll. In this case, hitting the water with your back will not be useful, since your recovery will need a full torso rotation to get to the fore deck. " I am not as comfortable with the C-C as with the sweep. So I did try adding some sweep to the deep brace, which had the effect of the rotation you mention. (I had not read your comment till after I got home.) That did help a bit in reducing the muscle required. I do get my head in the water on the deep brace and generally get back up, but it puts too much strain on my shoulder. In the sweep roll there is no strain whatever on the shoulder. Unless I figure out why the C-C and the deep brace require so much muscle, I might stop practicing for fear of shoulder injury. Jerry *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I lost track of who is making what comments are asking what questions, but: Any roll that requires noticeable "muscle" is being done wrong so shoulder injury is a real possibility. My observation: c-to-c effectiveness seems very dependant on having the flexibility to have a big weight displacement between the setup "C" and the roll "C" plus the ability to get the torso high in the water during setup (also flexibility). Since my flexibility (and c-to-c roll) stinks, I usually do a sweep roll & lay back type body motion for rolling - head arched back into the water - though sometime I just put the paddle out at 90 degrees and hip snap up without actually sweeping. When "deep" bracing if the capsizing force is not too strong I can get away with a c-to-c type motion, but if it is strong I invariably end up with my back and back of my head hitting the water (as another paddler recommended on this thread). Usually I can get back up that way, but if the force is ongoing (contrary current for example) I usually need a few sculls to do so. To get my head moving the right way (from one shoulder to the other), I practice in slo-mo, focusing on moving the head from one shoulder to another without worrying too much about having a very committed brace or the boat leaned very far. I like to think of trying to pull my off-knee toward my ear to j-lean and then pull my on-knee toward my other ear during the hip-snap Once the muscles are trained, it's relatively easy to transfer that to real braces. In any case, staying up is not worth tweaking a shoulder so I won't hesitate to let myself go over if it starts to feel strained. Steve Brown -----Original Message----- ...... When I try the C to C, I now notice that it requires the same muscle as the 'deep brace' and I sometimes miss the roll. So whatever I am doing wrong in the c to c, I am doing the same thing in the deep brace....... ........ Try as I might I cannot tell what I am doing with my head. Do you have any suggestions for head awareness training? ....... *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Is there a word in English (or any other language) for a piece of land that is connected to another piece of land at low tide but that becomes an island at high tide? Tom *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Joyce Family wrote: >Is there a word in English (or any other language) for a piece of land that >is connected to another piece of land at low tide but that becomes an island >at high tide? Also there is the term "land bridge" actually a "bar" -- Greg Dunlap Santa Rosa, CA 380 28' 40.27" N 1220 45' 16.05" W 157 feet above sea level blackey_at_sonic.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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