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From: alex <al.m_at_3web.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] New browser and e-mail (was: Request for a change to the digest version
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:17:50 -0800
> Let me give a *strong* recommendation that folks run, not walk, over
> to www.mozilla.org, and download "Thunderbird".  It is the best mail
> client (with a GUI) available.  It runs on everything.  It's free.
> It's open-source -- and therefore peer-reviewed, and therefore far
> more likely than closed-source to have seriously addressed issues of
> utmost importance -- like security.  And it keeps getting better, quickly.
>
> It's not perfect: nothing is.  But it will do exactly what Kirk
> suggested, that is, filter mail as it's received into separate folders.
> (I happen to use procmail to do that, but the principle is the same;
> and given that I'm maintaining 638 folders at the moment, I couldn't
> live without that functionality. ;-) )
>
> While you're there, grab the Firefox web browser as well: also
> runs on everything, also free, also open-source, etc.  It's so much
> better than everything else at this point that comparisons are moot.

I've been using Mozilla for the only reason - it has an option of decreasing
or increasing font size on web pages.  With LCD display this was a problem
(fonts become too small on high resolution).  IE can't handle this properly
(only some fonts on web-pages can be changed), and Netscape isn't any
better.  With Mozilla all fonts could be made as big as my eyes needed. But
original Mozilla was otherwise under-engineered tool - no alphabet sorting
of bookmarks or deleting them directly from the list (you have to open
"Manage bookmarks" tab).
I've checked this new "Firefox" browser - it has everything that original
Mozilla had, and is much better.  There is one problem with e-mail client
"Thurderbird" - unlike Outlook, it has no option "Disconnect after
sending/receiving messages", - and this is very much needed with dial-up
internet providers.  I'm switching land line to cell phone when going to
browse  internet, but with brief sending/receiving of e-mails this is a
nuisance. My land line remains busy until I disconnect.  May be, I just
can't find this button in "options".
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From: Bruce Grubbs <mail_at_brucegrubbs.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New browser and e-mail (was: Request for a change to the digest version
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:10:44 -0700
I'm using Opera (www.opera.com), partly because it has a zoom feature that 
works on the entire page. It can be set to default to any zoom setting on 
startup.

Bruce
Flagstaff, AZ
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From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk_at_rockandwater.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New browser and e-mail (was: Request for a change to the digest version
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:06:27 -0500
(We should probably move this off-list before we delve too far into
geek issues.)

On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 07:17:50PM -0800, alex wrote:
> I've checked this new "Firefox" browser - it has everything that original
> Mozilla had, and is much better. 

<chuckle> This isn't an accident: Mozilla and Firefox share about 90% of
the same code base.  Nor is the similarity to Netscape an accident: same
code base again.

> There is one problem with e-mail client "Thurderbird" - unlike Outlook,
> it has no option "Disconnect after sending/receiving messages"

See:

	http://kb.mozillazine.org/index.phtml?title=Mozilla_Suite_:_FAQs_:_Autoconnect

which discusses this issue and has a link to a utility called "HangUp" which
purports to address this for Windows users.

BTW: someone else mentioned Opera: it's very nice, too, although it's not
open-source and so its development isn't moving at the same pace.  But which
one of these anyone uses isn't nearly as important as doing everything possible
to avoid using IE and/or Outlook at all costs.

---Rsk
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