I know gas goes bad (or so says my lawn mower). What about white gas stove fuel (ye old Coleman fuel)? I've got at least half a gallon of two year old fuel (maybe three) that's been sealed in 1 liter fuel bottles in my garage since it was purchased. I'm off for a week of remote travel where new fuel (and new stoves) won't be available. The safe thing would be to get new fuel, but what does one do with the old stuff? Thoughts? Mitch McKinnon ______________________________ CoyoteCo Performance Sea Kayaking Instruction and Video Production www.CoyoteCo.Net <http://www.coyoteco.net/> 360 896-2151 *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Mitchell McKinnon wrote: > The >safe thing would be to get new fuel, but what does one do with the old >stuff? > >Thoughts? > >Mitch McKinnon > > > > > Oh man the fun that can be had with explosives! Too bad my attorneys have advised me not to give you any ideas... Jim *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Mitch, I can not trace down that old wives tale. From personal experience, I believe it is bogus. In fact, just last night I ran a stove full of white gas that had been sitting in my garage for 4 years! It may have been true in the bad old days of poorly refined gasoline, but it is not true for Coleman fuel, out here in Astoria. YMMV. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitchell McKinnon" <mckinnon_at_iinet.com> >I know gas goes bad (or so says my lawn mower). What about white gas > stove fuel (ye old Coleman fuel)? I've got at least half a gallon of > two year old fuel (maybe three) that's been sealed in 1 liter fuel > bottles in my garage since it was purchased. I'm off for a week of > remote travel where new fuel (and new stoves) won't be available. The > safe thing would be to get new fuel, but what does one do with the old > stuff? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Mitch, I believe that white gas is unleaded without all the additives. You could use a gallon in your newer car engine that uses unleaded without ill effect, except to your pocket book. It would get sort of expensive to fill your tank with Coleman, though at the current pump price, it would not hurt as much as it use to. This is still an easy method of disposal though! White gas is just unleaded without any additives. It is the additives that form a residue as the fuel out gasses from setting around. Without the additives the gas would have to totally evaporate in order to find much residue. Probably the amount of residue would have to build up from allowing a number of tanks to evaporate before the residue would be noticeable. That would probably be why Coleman still recommends using their fuel in their stove. The worse thing though would be to go on your trip, and for the price of a few gallons of gas have a stove get stubborn on you and not want to work. Also if you are flying to your destination, I don't think you want to be carrying gas on the airplane, something about homeland defense. Buy it there, at the local Wal-Mart and get the Coleman original. If worse comes to worse, you can use unleaded auto fuel though there are other additives that will affect the odor of the flame, and may give off noxious exhaust! Tinkerntom Mitch, I can not trace down that old wives tale. From personal experience, I believe it is bogus. In fact, just last night I ran a stove full of white gas that had been sitting in my garage for 4 years! It may have been true in the bad old days of poorly refined gasoline, but it is not true for Coleman fuel, out here in Astoria. YMMV. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitchell McKinnon" <mckinnon_at_iinet.com> >I know gas goes bad (or so says my lawn mower). What about white gas > stove fuel (ye old Coleman fuel)? I've got at least half a gallon of > two year old fuel (maybe three) that's been sealed in 1 liter fuel > bottles in my garage since it was purchased. I'm off for a week of > remote travel where new fuel (and new stoves) won't be available. The > safe thing would be to get new fuel, but what does one do with the old > stuff? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>Mitch, I believe that white gas is unleaded without all the additives... >Tinkerntom Mitch, he's right. Here's more than you'd ever want to know about white gas... http://www.logicsouth.com/~lcoble/dir9/whitegas.txt Cheers, Carey *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
As a pilot, I might point out that it was illegal to carry white gas (or empty gas containers, even) on either airline or charter flights long before September 11. Gasoline is classed as a hazardous material (along with many other things you don't want in the cargo hold!) and comes under the hazmat regs. One approach to to buy stove fuel at your destination... Bruce Flagstaff, AZ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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On Tuesday 26 April 2005 16.37, you wrote: > I know gas goes bad (or so says my lawn mower). What about white gas > stove fuel (ye old Coleman fuel)? I've got at least half a gallon of > two year old fuel (maybe three) that's been sealed in 1 liter fuel > bottles in my garage since it was purchased. I'm off for a week of > remote travel where new fuel (and new stoves) won't be available. The > safe thing would be to get new fuel, but what does one do with the old > stuff? > > Thoughts? Coleman fuel stays for ever the same! I would have no worries at all! But if you want to feel safe, test use your stove to see that it works, as the risk that the stove malfunctions is greater (if it been some time since you used it)! Tord *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I think Coleman fuel is naphtha, not gasoline, white or otherwise, so I doubt the same precautions about storage would apply. Certainly, I have had no problems with old Coleman fuel. Chuck Holst *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I have no idea if this is bad for your car, but I have put it in the my car's gas tank and as far as I know nothing bad happened to the car. I was prompted to do this by the fact that I had extra gas at the end of a kayak trip and I was not sure that I had enough gas to get from the put in to the nearest gas station. Perhaps those who know more about combustion engines will pipe up about the advisability of this. I don't know much about them, which is why I kayak. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
FWIW, I've used Coleman white gas at least that old that's been stored either in the original gallon container or in fuel bottles, including over the subzero winter. In terms of disposal, either call local waste disposal authorities or see if Boy Scout troops might want to take it off your hands. Tom Mitch wrote: > I know gas goes bad (or so says my lawn mower). What about white gas > stove fuel (ye old Coleman fuel)? I've got at least half a gallon of > two year old fuel (maybe three) that's been sealed in 1 liter fuel > bottles in my garage since it was purchased. I'm off for a week of > remote travel where new fuel (and new stoves) won't be available. The > safe thing would be to get new fuel, but what does one do with the old > stuff? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Joyce Family wrote: >FWIW, I've used Coleman white gas at least that old that's been stored >either in the original gallon container or in fuel bottles, including over >the subzero winter. In terms of disposal, either call local waste disposal >authorities or see if Boy Scout troops might want to take it off your hands. > > I think the problems used to come about in the old days when general stores used to have a 45-gal drum, or even a 200 gal tank of bulk naptha. Over time there would be condensation and etc etc and the bottom of the tank could get a bit crappy. Otherwise I don't think there is any real problem today with the refined grade of fuel we buy in cans, and store in small quantities. GaryJ -- Cedar canoe and WW kayak for sale. http://e.domaindlx.com/vpsoccer/Canoe-and-Kayak.htm *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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