I haven't tried it yet, but it looks very sturdy. Certainly not a toy. Question. I read the instruction book, but I wasn't clear on whether I needed to get a license or not. I'd appreciate you thoughts. John MacKechnie *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
If you are using it in the US, you do not need a license. If you take it to any other country including Canada, you will need one. Steve Holtzman Southern Calif *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
"John MacKechnie" <bigmac1_at_enter.net> wrote: > Just received my Icom m32. >I haven't tried it yet, but it looks very sturdy. Certainly not a toy. > Question. I read the instruction book, but I wasn't clear on whether I > needed to get a license or not. John, Are you in the US? If so, no license needed. If you travel to Canada, the rules say you need a license, but usage indicates this is not enforced for sea kayakers. I have a license because I got my VHF 10 years ago, but I no longer carry it to Canada. CCG is happy to respond to your emergency calls without asking first if you have a license. And, at launches and on the water, nobody is checking. If you abused Channel 16, then I bet they would ticket you and confiscate the radio. Learn VHF protocol and practice making calls before you need to use the radio in an emergency. Let us know how you like the M32. It seems like a really good unit. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On 15 Apr 2005 at 8:34, Dave Kruger wrote: > I have a license because I > got my VHF 10 years ago, but I no longer carry it to Canada. CCG is > happy to respond to your emergency calls without asking first if you > have a license. And, at launches and on the water, nobody is checking. > If you abused Channel 16, then I bet they would ticket you and > confiscate the radio. I was thinking about this over the weekend and thought I'd just add that in Canada, penalties do go up to $5000 fine and/or up to 12 months imprisonment for operation of a radio in the marine bands without an operator's certificate. You can use one without a cwertificate, but it's not a good idea to counsel or appear to counsel someone to not get one. You can drive a car without a license in Canada - but don't get caught. Given the potential penalties and the low cost and minimal difficulty of getting a certificate, it's worthwhile getting one. The course I took covered a lot of useful information that I haven't seen on the web in one concise document. The instructors were able to answer questions that I haven't seen answered on the web as well. That alone makes the cost of the course worthwhile. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
on 19/4/05 07:06, Michael Daly at mikedaly_at_magma.ca wrote: > ... it's worthwhile getting one. The course I > took covered a lot of useful information... > This is a good point, learn proper VHF radio procedure. During a sea kayak forum over Easter, a Mayday message was overheard that involved a person having a heart attack while on a yacht. The person making the call had little idea of radio procedure, emergency management, first aid, or even their location. Other boaties, also with little knowledge, were still using the channel for routine calls, despite a "Silence Mayday" being in place. Eventually, emergency personal arrived on scene, but the person was dead. While the delay may not have affected the outcome, it was a lesson in the value of applying the correct procedures. Cheers JKA -- John Kirk-Anderson Banks Peninsula NEW ZEALAND *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Is anyone aware of an on line reference for this? It would be good to have a refresher, since I got my license almost 20 years ago... At 01:16 PM 4/18/2005, you wrote: >on 19/4/05 07:06, Michael Daly at mikedaly_at_magma.ca wrote: > > > ... it's worthwhile getting one. The course I > > took covered a lot of useful information... *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Are the licenses international? Is a US license good in Mexico and Canada? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Friday 15 April 2005 17.01, you wrote: > I haven't tried it yet, but it looks very sturdy. Certainly not a toy. > > Question. I read the instruction book, but I wasn't clear on whether I > needed to get a license or not. > > I'd appreciate you thoughts. Seems to be like this in most countries: If you want to use it everyday you get a licence wherever you are. If you just want to transmit the day you're in danger, nobody will care, one way or other. If you're planning to go abroad with it, I would stress that it is imperative to register it, both home and away (at least get a time-resticted permit of use)! Or you'd be a suspect terrorist, at least! A Tired Tord *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Apr 15, 2005, at 2:59 PM, Tord Eriksson wrote: > it is imperative to > register it, both home and away (at least > get a time-resticted permit of use)! > > Or you'd be a suspect terrorist, at least! Didn't you know - - the good ole US under the patriot act, EVERYONE IS A SUSPECT TERRORIST! Michael *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Do I Need a Ship Radio Station License? On October 26, 1996, the FCC released a Report and Order in WT Docket No. 96-82, FCC 96-421 (text, WordPerfect), eliminating the individual licensing requirement for voluntary ships operating domestically which are not required by law to carry a radio. The paragraphs below describe how the rules affect the maritime public. WHO NEEDS A SHIP STATION LICENSE? You do not need a license to operate a marine VHF radio, radar, or EPIRBs aboard voluntary ships operating domestically. The terms "voluntary" and "domestic" are defined below. Although a license is no longer required for these ships, you may still obtain a license (and call sign) by following the procedures outlined in Section From: http://wireless.fcc.gov/marine/fctsht14.html IV. WHICH SHIPS ARE VOLUNTARY? The term "voluntary ships" refers to ships that are not required by law to carry a radio. Generally, this term applies to recreation or pleasure craft. In any event, the term "voluntary ships" does not apply to the following: Cargo ships over 300 gross tons navigating in the open sea; Ships certified by the U.S. Coast Guard to carry more than 6 passengers for hire in the open sea or tidewaters of the U.S.; Power driven ships over 20 meters in length on navigable waterways; Ships of more than 100 gross tons certified by the U.S. Coast Guard to carry at least one passenger on navigable waterways; Tow boats of more than 7.8 meters in length on navigable waterways; and, Uninspected commercial fishing industry vessels required to carry a VHF radio. WHAT IS DOMESTIC OPERATION? Ships are considered as operating domestically when they do not travel to foreign ports or do not transmit radio communications to foreign stations. Sailing in international waters is permitted, so long as the previous conditions are met. If you travel to a foreign port (e.g., Canada, Mexico, Bahamas, British Virgin Islands) a license is required. Additionally, if you travel to a foreign port, you are required to have an operator permit as described in Section III. WHAT RADIO EQUIPMENT MAY I USE? You do not need a license to use marine VHF radios, any type of EPIRB, any type of radar, GPS or LORAN receivers, depth finders, CB radio, or amateur radio (an amateur license is required). Ships that use MF/HF single side-band radio, satellite communications, or telegraphy must continue to be licensed by the FCC. On April 17, 1996, the U.S. Coast Guard suspended enforcement activities concerning FCC Radio Station Licenses carried aboard voluntary ships. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
WhiteRabbit" <whiterabbit_0117_at_charter.net> wrote: > Are the licenses international? Is a US license good in Mexico and Canada? IIRC, if you have the two licenses from the US, there is reciprocity while operating your own private vessel in Canadian waters. Don't know about Mexico. Very good idea to get some decent training on use of VHF. The marine bands here are pretty clean and free of garbage, but I understand in urban areas of too many boaters, even 16 is severely abused. The required training in Canada is pretty good, I understand. The alternative in the US is to carefully listen and learn from professional mariners. And, there were VHF usage protocols, to at least lay out the rules, with all the VHF's I have bought the last couple years. I agree mandatory training before use would be good. The FCC bogarted on that when they relaxed licensure rules for US pleasure boaters, some 8 years ago. Michael Daly's comments about large fines for operating a marine VHF in Canadian waters without proper licensure describe what might happen. That hammer is there over the heads of folks who abuse the VHF channels. The message from here is: licensed or not, do not abuse them. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>Dave Kruger wrote: > >The FCC bogarted on that when they relaxed licensure rules for US >pleasure boaters, some 8 years ago. I'm not saying I agree or not, but the rationale for dropping the license 8 years ago went like this: Laws at the time did not require a radio on rec. vessels, but if there was a radio, you needed a license. Joe Boater would logic thus: "If I don't buy a radio I won't have to pay for a license for it. Ergo, I'll not buy a radio." So a lot of boats were running around without radios for want of an inexpensive license. So the government thinks, if we drop the license requirement more people will have radios and thus more people will be saved because they will be able to call for help in an emergency. I guess that worked, but in my mind the better solution would have been to require a radio on anything where one was appropriate. The license didn't require any knowledge, it was just a registration tax, so maybe dropping it was the right thing to do if they were not going to require training. C *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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