Matt, if you are asking if I trust my memory I have to say, "Maybe". I wrote to a friend who has been around Canadian paddling longer than me and he said he could not recall when he heard it first but he thought it was in conjunction with Sawyer Canoes in some way. I rarely keep any magazines or other stuff so I can't be of much help. I do keep all my old design books and you won't find anything about secondary stability in them. Cheers John Winters *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Just so we can pin down at least one date, let us introduce the term "Tertiary Stability" today, May 18, 2005. It only seems proper that if there is a "primary" followed by a "secondary" there must be a "tertiary". For the benefit of future stability historians looking back to today in awe; tertiary stability is the tendency of an inverted kayak to stay inverted and is measured in the minutes a kayaker must hold his breath before he is able deploy a crotch dirigible and effect a self rescue. This should be measured in thousandths of a minute. Notice that this performance characteristic is not applicable to kayaks paddled by women. While to some this may imply that there must be such a thing as "quaternary" stability, let me say right now that such a term would be pointless. There is however a "quinary stability" which indicates that if 5 kayak designers get in a room together, nothing will be decided. Please save this email for posterity, one day it will be considered a sacred text. On May 18, 2005, at 4:05 PM, John Winters wrote: > Matt, if you are asking if I trust my memory I have to say, "Maybe". > > I wrote to a friend who has been around Canadian paddling longer > than me and he said he could not recall when he heard it first but > he thought it was in conjunction with Sawyer Canoes in some way. > > I rarely keep any magazines or other stuff so I can't be of much > help. I do keep all my old design books and you won't find anything > about secondary stability in them. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On 18 May 2005 at 17:01, Nick Schade wrote: > tertiary stability is the tendency of an > inverted kayak to stay inverted and is measured in the minutes a > kayaker must hold his breath before he is able deploy a crotch > dirigible and effect a self rescue. Naahh - that's quaternary stability. Tertiary stability refers to the ease with which a person can do a balance brace in a particular kayak. So primary is 12 o'clock, secondary is between 12 and 3, tertiary is 3 o'clock and quaternary is 6 o'clock. We're running out of time to define any others. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Nick Schade said: Just so we can pin down at least one date, let us introduce the term "Tertiary Stability" today, May 18, 2005. Why has no one in this thread discussed "mental stability", or is that too foreign a concept for us paddlers? Jim Tibensky *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Nick wrote; > Just so we can pin down at least one date, let us introduce the term > "Tertiary Stability" today, May 18, 2005. Could this be the beginning of the end. The beginning of - Dare I say it - STABILITY WARS Well, if war is what you want, war you will get. I counter Nick's Quinary Stability with Fantasy Stability or that stability the advertisement claims a boat has. I warn you, I also have some of the Wicked Stability in reserve (Stability that is so good it seems supernatural). Cheers John Winters *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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