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From: Rafael Mier Maza <silidriel_at_prodigy.net.mx>
subject: [Paddlewise] Dumpie was on vacation
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 23:43:13 -0500
Hi friends, 
 
I read the trip reports of California kayaking on that September weekend
and there was no carnage. I thought it was a bit unusual, but found out
why right away.
 
I tried playing with my surfing kayak Delfin at the Zicatela beach,
South of Mexico in Puerto Escondido's Oaxaca Pacific Ocean prettiest
beach. Coincidentally there was an international surfing contest. Waves
were 16 to 19 feet with beautiful tubes. I was never going to run those.
My skills are not for that kind of challenge as you will see. Only the
idea of paddling through the breakers chilled my spine.
 
So I went to one edge of the bay expecting smaller waves more suitable
to my degree of competence and fear. Fortunately my friend Antonino was
there to film the outing and was lucky enough to find out where Dumpie
was. I can not say the same in regard to my luck since I also found out
where Dumpy was on vacation.
 
Less words and more action. You can see the whole thing in.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5uotQzq-Ws
 
Let me just mention that when the wave hit and the baot jumped to the
surface and the paddle sinked to the bottom I felt a clear elongation of
my spine, that I thought was bad, but I did not let go boat or paddle.
They were my ticket to safety. So after hell quieted down I rolled just
in time to receive the next of the set that took me straight to the
beach, and with that I had enough for the day. 
 
Anyway there is no bigger pleasure than surfing waves and I will have to
learn more in two directions. One on my skills and two, in finding out
where dumpy is fooling around. 
 
Lessons learned.
1.- Need some lessons in kayak surfing.
2.- My body and boat are pretty sturdy.
3.- When a breaker is going to fall on me, I MUST ROLL beforehand. I
will have to roll anyway.
4.- My roll passed the test three times, under more than realistic
conditions.
5.- It was fun. I can say that after counting all my bones. 
6.- It is always good to have a good photographer around.
 
Best Regards 
 
Rafael.
 
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From: Steve Holtzman <sh_at_actglobal.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Dumpie was on vacation
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 23:32:56 -0700
Rafael,

Awesome video. I could hear myself going "ouch" when you got nailed by
Dumpy. I was glad to hear that he is on vacation, that explains why I have
only been upside down intentionally for the last few weeks.

Please make him welcome and invite him to stay.

Steve Holtzman 
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From: Scott Hilliard <kiayker_at_sbcglobal.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Dumpie was on vacation
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 05:04:47 -0700
Rafael,

   What fun having your surfing on video! I watched it and would like to 
make a quick comment on your technique if you don't mind. In both of your 
capsizes in the clip you can clearly see that as you reached the waves you 
stopped paddling. In the first, smaller wave, you even got pushed backwards 
while you sat there and did nothing. Had you approached each wave by 
aggressively trying to paddle through them then I'm betting you would have 
made it on both. Even if you start to back surf you want to continue to claw 
at the water and try to pull yourself through it. The worst thing you can do 
is nothing. Give it a try and see if this helps.

Scott
So.Cal. 
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From: Rafael Mier Maza <silidriel_at_prodigy.net.mx>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Dumpie was on vacation
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:28:20 -0500
 Scott wrote .....

In both of your 
capsizes in the clip you can clearly see that as you reached the waves
you 
stopped paddling. In the first, smaller wave, you even got pushed
backwards 
while you sat there and did nothing.......

Thanks Scott,
I will take your advise seriously. On the first wave I think i could
have negotiated the wave by hard paddling.

On the second case I did not sit and did nothing, I was praying like
crazy. :-)
I felt completely hopeless.

But you are right, the worst thing is the lack of action, of course you
are reserving it for all the fast action that will come in a few more
seconds. :-).

I have thought about three actions. 1.- Paddle harder, as you suggest.
2.- Measure and time the waves better to avoid being stranded in the
zero zone, where it seems like no effort will liberate you from
disaster. 3.- If it ever happens again, roll before the blast.

Thanks and best regards,

Rafael.
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From: Matt Broze <mkayaks_at_oz.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Dumpie was on vacation
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 22:57:45 -0800
Hi Raphael

I watched the video of you in the surf. First as it loaded a bit at a time,
so I got to look at it the first time in very slow stop action sequences.
I'd like to add a few more suggestions to the good one that Scott made about
keeping paddling.

At one point the frame that lingered, while I waited for the video to load
further, showed you with your pushing wrist bent downward to your hand on
the shaft. If you do this every time you push (to hold your hands fixed on
the paddle shaft) your stroke won't be as strong as it could be if you
rotated it on the shaft enough to push with a straight wrist (with paddle
shaft center wrist center and elbow along a straight line).

When faced with a wave you can see is a big one, the best strategy is
usually not to sit there awe stricken but to paddle as hard as you can out
towards it. If you have the choice, angling some to where it looks like it
will break the latest (or the smallest) can also help. Sitting there waiting
for it to break before it gets to you is much more likely to end in disaster
as the big ones tend to stand up longer before breaking and you are more
likely waiting in the big ones break zone (or later high turbulence zone if
it breaks just in front of you) and will have no momentum to help carry you
through it. Rolling over just before it hits can be a good tactic (if the
wave isn't too big or your body is going to be hit full force by the falling
water from a dumper) but that will work just as well if not better if you
have been paddling hard to meet the wave first. Most likely if you paddle
hard toward the wave you will make it over before it peaks over vertical and
you will have a good "ski jump" off the crest to a landing in the trough
behind it.

BTW, you are lucky to still have your front teeth (on either wave) and
didn't get the wind knocked out of you as well (by the biggest wave).
Holding your paddle in front of you is a no-no when a breaker hits, as is
taking a wave while sitting upright. In the video it looked like you are
paddling with a 45 degree or less feather Euro paddle as well. This can be
especially dangerous in surf big enough to break much over your head. You
also wrote of one of the disadvantages of that when you mentioned the
elongation of your spine while trying to hold on to the paddle with both
hands. The wave lifts the boat while the paddle blades are pulled down by
the tumbling breaker. The closer to 0 degree feather you use the harder the
pull is likely to be. Even with a 90 degree feather it is often prudent to
let the paddle go with the hand that first gets yanked. One reason is that
any paddle can also snag the bottom. I have no experience with unfeathered
paddles or 45 degree paddles when paddling in surf but many times I've held
a 75 or 90 degree  paddle tightly with one hand while letting my wrist be
limp so the paddle was free to twist and flop around during the worst
turbulence. I'm not sure if one could hang on to an unfeathered paddle
(where the wave tugs at both blades at once) by letting go with one hand.
Letting go is still better than a shoulder or back injury that can result if
your paddle is tugged violently enough while you have a death grip on it
with both hands. I don't recall ever totally losing my paddle while holding
it with only one hand in surf and it was easy to find a grip with the other
hand again and set-up to roll once the worst turbulence has passed by.
During the roll after the smaller breaker on the video you obviously had to
let go of the paddle for a bit anyway to get into the Pawlatta roll position
(hand on the end of the blade) you rolled with. The Pawlatta was my original
"last resort" roll or when failing to roll the first try could have had
serious consequences. Since those earliest kayaking days I only resorted to
sliding my hand down the shaft far enough that I can feel the blade (and pin
that blade against the boat to be able to hold the set up position in heavy
turbulence).

Getting back to your lucky dentition, there is a way to avoid getting the
paddle shaft slammed into your teeth, face, or neck (where it is likely to
do serious damage to you especially if the wave can hit both blades solidly
at the same time as is common with unfeathered paddles). If the wave slams
it across your torso it is more likely to do serious damage to the paddle.
how you avoid this is to point the paddle directly into the wave just as it
hits. If the wave is not over your head holding the paddle up over the wave
can work as well to keep the wave from hitting the paddle. If I did that I
would likely turn my body to one side so as to have a narrower profile for
the wave to hit. However once the waves are big enough to break over your
head then what worked best for me was at the last second before impact was
to bend forward from the waist I could and duck my head to near the deck
while at the same time finishing the last hard paddle stroke to end up in
the roll position with the paddle pointed into the wave and held against the
side of the kayak. This reduces your profile so you are not hit as hard (or
in as vulnerable area as your gut) and so you keep better momentum to help
carry you through the zone of maximum impact. next you immediately start to
paddle as hard as you can again so as to try to not be carried back by the
crest of the broken wave. looking at the first wave that pushes you back it
looks like much of that push was because your paddle blades were exposed to
the force of the moving water as well as your entire torso.

You were in a very vulnerable position when the big wave was bearing down on
you but you were extremely lucky that it didn't break about a second sooner.
You were just beyond the worst dump zone when it hit so most of the force
went over your head and behind your kayak (or onto the back deck) rather
than hit your very exposed paddle and midsection. I'm sure you were
extremely Maytagged by that breaker but you didn't really take the full
force of the hit from the falling water. While tipping over just before a
bigger wave hits (if it has just broken or is about to dump in your lap) is
often a good strategy. I can tell you from personal experience that that
strategy has its limits and the second wave in the video may have been just
big enough to test them. I may be disagreeing with Scott here about whether
you could have gotten through the biggest breaker. Unless you paddled out
fast enough to beat the break I don't think many paddlers could have gotten
through that breaker once it had gone beyond vertical and at least until the
worst turbulence after the dump had settled down a bit. If you had turned
over just as that wave hit you most likely you would have done an outside
loop and found yourself going over the falls right side up while facing the
beach. Having experienced this outside loop once when I rolled to avoid the
impact of a really big wave I can tell you that if you can miss the impact
zone on a big breaker I think the inside loop (which I've done many times)
is the far better alternative as you get to experience the violence in the
more protected fetal position rather than having been stretched out by the
outside rotation). I had recently been practicing the tip over and roll back
up technique on smaller breakers (in the 4 to 6 foot range) but when faced
with the biggest dumper of my life breaking right on me I remember thinking:
"This time for real". Like you I had gotten inside the dump wall but then
went into the outside loop. I recall breaking the surface right side up and
opening my eyes just as I was going over the falls, momentarily weightless
and stretched bolt upright by the sudden rotation inside the dump. after
that Maytagging the only thing still holding me to the cockpit was my feet
and the spraydeck. I managed to slide back in and roll as I knew I didn't
want to be swimming in breakers that big. The kayak could get me out of
there so much faster than swimming.

I've not tried this myself but some good kayak surfers lay on the back deck
while holding the paddle up overhead and pointed into the wave. This may
allow them and lower their profile even more than ducking forward for
slipping through a broken wave but one shouldn't try this unless they have a
low back deck and backrest, a flexible spine (and probably nose plugs).

The last section of the "Paddling" manual on our website "Ocean Surf" has a
lot of other tips for dealing with surf conditions that Cam and I mostly
learned the hard way.

Matt Broze
www.marinerkayaks.com
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From: Rafael Mier Maza <silidriel_at_prodigy.net.mx>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Dumpie was on vacation
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:40:51 -0600
Hi Matt,

Your analysis is very interesting in several ways. I got from it some
very good counsel and some things I shall never forget to do under
similar conditions, which I hope not to find again.

The most valuable advise is to paddle to the wave and face the vertical
wall, which is always a better approach than to sit where it falls on
you. It makes a lot of sense to face it and roll as you get to it. Then
you will travel with the rising wall and with the body resistance you
will stay behind the crashing soup. As a swimmer I used to float
horizontal, with head towards the wave and as it made the tube, would
lift me up and keep me behind it. I would stay with arms open and wait
for the lift, stand vertical on the green wall, and then just rest in
the calm waters watching the wave thundering to shore.

The second has to do with protecting the face from the paddle pushed by
the wave. It is a good advise. Now let me tell you that my paddle is a
Lendhal with 70 degrees feather. The sun hitting in front doesn4t allow
a clear picture and the paddle looks unfeathered but it was feathered.

The other advise is to paddle more agressively, as Scott said, at all
times while in the surf. Both while going out and when catching a wave.
I seemed to be slow all the time with a poor power stroke.

Now, all that said, let me tell you that the wave was very very big, as
compared to the other waves I had been running in that day, in that
section of the beach. As you can see in the video, as I was resting I
turned around and saw the big swell forming, I decided to go for it, and
as I started turning it looked to me that I was not going to get there
on time and it kept growing and growing, so at one time I decided to
turn and go back but it seemed too late also. So I just froze. The
situation was beyond my previous experience and didn't know what the
best course of action would be.

Now I must mentalize that next time I must paddle hard to it, and if it
seems obvious that I will not go across, then I should go to hit it,
roll and try to expose the least cross section (leaning backward or
forward) so as to keep going and let the energy part of the wave pass
by. 

Regarding the paddle in the turn moil, let me tell you that, as you
suggest, I had the paddle only in one hand, which was my right hand, and
I held very hard to it. Still the spine elongation was from the pull on
only that hand. I didn't want to let the paddle go, for no reason. If
you see the video in detail you'll see that on the first scene
immediately after the blast the kayak emerges to the surface, almost
instantly. Showed that floating bodies react to floatation forces
immediately. My tight fit in the boat kept me in it. So part of my body
went up with the boat and part was going down with the paddle. 

I think it is almost impossible to hold the paddle with both hands under
those conditions. In one hand it twists your arm and wrist in almost all
directions, but can align better to the forces. It becomes the challenge
of the moment to stay with it. Funny though during those seconds in that
fight, there is a certain feeling of pleasure or happiness to the right
response to the challenge, in the same manner as few seconds earlier the
feeling was of fear at the imminent crash, and then after the roll,
there is was feeling of accomplishment or success, for having come out
of the threat complete and in control, finally the last feeling is of
humbleness and gratitude, because things could have been much worse.

Thanks for your advise. 

Best Regards,

Rafael
Mexico.
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From: <Rcgibbert_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Dumpie was on vacation
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:50:05 EST
In a message dated 10/29/2006 11:02:14 PM Pacific Standard Time,  
mkayaks_at_oz.net writes:

I've not  tried this myself but some good kayak surfers lay on the back deck
while  holding the paddle up overhead and pointed into the wave. This may
allow  them and lower their profile even more than ducking forward for
slipping  through a broken wave but one shouldn't try this unless they have a
low  back deck and backrest, a flexible spine (and probably nose  plugs).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 
If you have a high performance surf boat (many river boats are similar in  
this respect) there isn't enough buoyancy in the back to do that. Surf boats  
carry all the buoyancy forward. If you tried to weight the stern as the  wave 
curled over head you'd get crushed. I've been through some very big  tubey stuff 
just by leaning forward and at the last possible, teeny weeniest  second put 
the paddle tight along side the hull and head along the deck. I've  popped 
right through when I expected otherwise.
 
Bill Mattos wrote an excellent book called Kayak Surfing, ISBN  
0-9547061-0-2. I refer back to it alot and if surf is your thing I would track  down a copy.
 
Cheers,
 
Rob G
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