We did the bow chat. What about the stern? I love what it does for the handling and passive propulsion of my S&G baidarka when in a following sea. So much so that some friends and I did a group build on a double. http://www.canoeandkayakclub.org/ Would a commercial kayak benefit from a baidarka stern without the bifid bow? Would customers run screaming from the showroom if presented with such an offering? Would a kayak with a regular bow and a baidarka stern result in ridiculous broaching in a following sea? Jim et al *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I don't think that a greenland bow and a baidarka stern are that incompatable. When I look at the stern of a Mariner Express/Sprite/Coaster and compare it to a baidarka stern they look mightly similar. And it does the same thing for my Express that it does for your S&G baidarka in a following sea... however Matt and Cam put a nice skeg on the Express to help keep it from broaching too quickly. Craig Jungers Royal City, WA On 8/28/07, James Farrelly <JFarrelly5_at_comcast.net> wrote: > > We did the bow chat. What about the stern? I love what it does for > the handling and passive propulsion of my S&G baidarka when in a > following sea. So much so that some friends and I did a group build > on a double. > > http://www.canoeandkayakclub.org/ > > Would a commercial kayak benefit from a baidarka stern without the > bifid bow? Would customers run screaming from the showroom if > presented with such an offering? Would a kayak with a regular bow and > a baidarka stern result in ridiculous broaching in a following sea? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Would a commercial kayak benefit from a baidarka stern without the bifid bow? Would customers run screaming from the showroom if presented with such an offering? Would a kayak with a regular bow and a baidarka stern result in ridiculous broaching in a following sea? Didn't Wilderness make one those in plastic awhile back? Jeffrey Bingham *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
The whole thread of "will a baidarka bow/stern work on a modern kayak" entirely ignores the fact that the baidarkas these ends were put on were very flexible along their longitudinal axis. This is critical to their functionality. Yes they will broach riduculously when applied to a rigid hull; no they won't when applied to a flexible hull. Why wouldn't an orange rind work on an apple. . . .? ;-) Harvey *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
"The whole thread of "will a baidarka bow/stern work on a modern kayak" entirely ignores the fact that the baidarkas these ends were put on were very flexible along their longitudinal axis. This is critical to their functionality. Yes they will broach riduculously when applied to a rigid hull; no they won't when applied to a flexible hull." I don't understand this, probably due to complete lack of any experience with a baidarka, but... Why does a flexible boat with a blade at its stern not broach, but a rigid boat with such a stern broach ridiculously? I would guess a baidarka stern would hold the stern a little in a following sea, and allow the bow to swing down-wave, and that would happen whether the boat has flex or not. What actually happens with a replica baidarka? PT *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
--- Peter Treby <ptreby_at_ozemail.com.au> wrote: > I don't understand this, probably due to complete > lack of any experience > with a baidarka, but... > Why does a flexible boat with a blade at its stern > not broach, but a rigid > boat with such a stern broach ridiculously? Dear Peter, First, any kayak will broach given the right conditions, so excuse my hyperbole. The "blade at the stern" is not the key element I had in mind-- its the wide truncated stern; essentialy a highly buoyant mass right at the stern. In a following wave, this buoyant stern will get lifted quite easily which will cause a tendency for the bow to submerge. This tendency for the bow to get submerged (adding to the potential of broaching) is dampened considerably with a longitudinally flexible hull (pitching specifically). With a flexible hull, the stern can get lifted without the bow being forced under. It is merely "less of a tendency"-- using 'riducously' was hyperbole, borrowed from a previous post. > I would guess a baidarka stern would hold the stern > a little in a following > sea, and allow the bow to swing down-wave, and that > would happen whether the > boat has flex or not. > What actually happens with a replica baidarka? Briefly, they tend to snake over the water's surface instead of lunging and plunging into and over waves. Is it better? I'm not sure-- it may have some drawbacks and it may have some advantages. It is however a very interesting sensation and challenges many a concept of how a vessel interacts with dynamic conditions. Best, Harvey http://www.traditionalkayaks.com/Kayakreplicas/VK228fullsize.html *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I'm looking for suggestions on how to repair/replace the 16"x9" hatch flange on a VCP Skerray RMX. There is a 2-3" vertical crack along the long edge of the flange at the point where the vertical portion of the flange meets the horizontal base. I was thinking about using small SS screws to hold it together, but but have no idea as to what adhesive / glue to use (the flange appears to be some sort of plastic). Thanks, Brian *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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