On Wednesday 26 September 2007 14:57, Paul Montgomery wrote: > > I have noticed some 'pops' and soreness in my shoulders, especially > > the right one, and have started looking for exercises and info on the > > web. Anyone here have any experience and words of wisdom to impart > > on this very important subject? > > No detailed web reference here, but a strong suggestion you visit your > local physical therapist or orthopedic specialist and get some > professional advice. Mine prescribed (and trained me in the use of) a > series of strengthening exercises employing lengths of "rubber dam" > material similar to these: > http://www.orthoassociates.com/shoulder1.htm#shldr_exrcs (The ones > shown here are not the same ones I was given to use.) > > The rubber dam comes in varying thicknesses, which your > specialist/therapist will choose to fit your fitness level. It is easy > to overdo it. The "popping" you are experiencing suggests you may have > some cartilage issues in there -- and surgery may be required. And, > remember, this medical advice is worth what you paid for it! See a doctor who knows his stuff, soon! I have similar problems (but no popping), which was the reason I started paddling again, in 2003, after a 20+ years pause! Those execises seems very similar to the ones I've done with my physio the last few years - they did help me - but it takes time. I have at times been so badly affected, that I couldn't work at all for half a year, and was forced to halftime another half a year (I do a lot of similar movements at work, but it is stretching upward/forward that really ruins my day - like reaching overhead switches in a cockpit - doesn't help a bit that I wear bifocals!). It is my bursa, the sack in the gap between the acromion and the upper arm bone (see: http://www.orthoassociates.com/shoulder1.htm#shldr_exrcs ) that get compressed so much that it get swollen resulting in an impingement of the nerves that pass through. Not nice at all! The tendons (as might be in your case) might get affected as well, by the way! A good doctor can operate it successfully (if the gap is too narrow in the first place), but there is no guarantee of success, my doctor tells me! But even a 50/50 chance of a life without similar problems in the future, is OK with me! He doesn't want to say if it can get worse after an operation, though. Good luck, Tord PS Heat made it disappear last time I got it, cold does the reverse! So sauna, hot baths and similar pursuits is good - tennis, badmington and squash forbidden! *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I've had three shoulder surgeries for impingement syndrome, one by scope, two by open; the two open were on each shoulder respectively. Surgery helps. No guarantee of full recovery from impingement however. I found heat helps little in advanced cases; more for psychological relieve perhaps. Sometimes a hot bath after a lengthy icedown works for me too, but inevitably just good old ice is my answer, with supplemental meds. They say ice should never be applied more than 15 minutes absolute maximum to skin. I often fall asleep with ice on my shoulders (sorry 'bout the cold shoulder treatment honey!). Anything overhead is guaranteed to provoke impingement, and once impinged, a vicious cycle sets up whereby normal activities often prolong the agony. I've been close to tears many a night in a tent after storm paddling, no ice available (I can only carry so many instant ice packs). Funnily enough, I can be in agony within 15 minutes after towing my wife n' yak through tidal currents in the summer heat, yet when I towed Andrew for six hours during the Storm Island incident in the cold central coast early spring weather, I felt nary a twinge. Give me cold weather any day. No desire to move to So Cal for this bum. I find a proper a soft-sided ice bag an invaluable convenience for shoulder ice-downs. The bag neatly holds ice cubes with no wet mess and less direct contact with fragile dermal layers and the bag doesn't leave wet spots on the bed sheets in the morning when I wake up, though there can be a bit of condensation if it falls on the hardwood floor after I fall asleep. The stay in place while reading-to-sleep, too. My spouse, Yvonne, just had a cortisone injection a few weeks ago, so I hope we can do some more paddling this coming spring. She had more of a calcium build up than impingement, but the cortisone is supposed to settle down the pain enough so that she, the patient can start extending her range of motions again enough to naturally break up the deposits. I've tried cortisone in prior years directly for the impingement, but just headed out into bigger winds and seas the next day, undoing any good and sending me into a stunningly incalculable world of pain - self induced I guess. But those moments in hurricane force winds are vivid, wild memories a Pentax Optio could never do justice too, although the Orthopod said my bursa looked like something pictured from a cadaver of a very old man - and this when I was only in my early twenties. Well, I just had my ultrasound results back today after months of abdominal pain. Looks like gall stones. Maybe I'll try swallowing some ice. It's gotta be a faster fix than the Canadian-BC health care system., Mr. Moore! Stay healthy as possible Tord. Hey, just stop getting older man, might help eh. :-) Doug Lloyd (who works for the BC government paying for BC residents to get authorized surgery in the US) > On Wednesday 26 September 2007 14:57, Paul Montgomery wrote: > >> > I have noticed some 'pops' and soreness in my shoulders, especially >> > the right one, and have started looking for exercises and info on the >> > web. Anyone here have any experience and words of wisdom to impart >> > on this very important subject? >> >> No detailed web reference here, but a strong suggestion you visit your >> local physical therapist or orthopedic specialist and get some >> professional advice. Mine prescribed (and trained me in the use of) a >> series of strengthening exercises employing lengths of "rubber dam" >> material similar to these: >> http://www.orthoassociates.com/shoulder1.htm#shldr_exrcs (The ones >> shown here are not the same ones I was given to use.) >> >> The rubber dam comes in varying thicknesses, which your >> specialist/therapist will choose to fit your fitness level. It is easy >> to overdo it. The "popping" you are experiencing suggests you may have >> some cartilage issues in there -- and surgery may be required. And, >> remember, this medical advice is worth what you paid for it! > > See a doctor who knows his stuff, soon! > > I have similar problems (but no popping), which was the reason I started > paddling again, in 2003, after a 20+ years pause! > > Those execises seems very similar to the ones I've done > with my physio the last few years - they did help me - but it takes time. > > I have at times been so badly affected, that I couldn't work at all for > half a year, and was forced to halftime another half a year (I do a lot of > similar movements at work, but it is stretching upward/forward that really > ruins my day - like reaching overhead switches in a cockpit - doesn't help > a bit that I wear bifocals!). > > It is my bursa, the sack in the gap between the acromion and the upper arm > bone (see: http://www.orthoassociates.com/shoulder1.htm#shldr_exrcs ) > that get compressed so much that it get swollen resulting in an > impingement > of the nerves that pass through. Not nice at all! The tendons (as might be > in your case) might get affected as well, by the way! > > A good doctor can operate it successfully (if the gap is too narrow in the > first place), but there is no guarantee of success, my doctor tells me! > But even a 50/50 chance of a life without similar problems in the future, > is OK with me! He doesn't want to say if it can get worse after an > operation, though. > > Good luck, > > Tord > > PS Heat made it disappear last time I got it, cold does the reverse! So > sauna, hot baths and similar pursuits is good - tennis, badmington and > squash forbidden! *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. 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On Thursday 27 September 2007 05:21, Doug Lloyd wrote: (snip) > My spouse, Yvonne, just had a cortisone injection a few weeks ago, so I > hope we can do some more paddling this coming spring. She had more of a > calcium build up than impingement, but the cortisone is supposed to > settle down the pain enough so that she, the patient can start extending > her range of motions again enough to naturally break up the deposits. > I've tried cortisone in prior years directly for the impingement, but > just headed out into bigger winds and seas the next day, undoing any > good and sending me into a stunningly incalculable world of pain - self > induced I guess. I got an injection last year in my right shoulder and after month's of relative inactivity (not counting the visits to the physio) I got so much better that I could return to work full-time! > But those moments in hurricane force winds are vivid, > wild memories a Pentax Optio could never do justice too, although the > Orthopod said my bursa looked like something pictured from a cadaver of > a very old man - and this when I was only in my early twenties. > > Well, I just had my ultrasound results back today after months of > abdominal pain. Looks like gall stones. Not nice at all, but curable! > Maybe I'll try swallowing some > ice. It's gotta be a faster fix than the Canadian-BC health care > system., Mr. Moore! > > Stay healthy as possible Tord. Hey, just stop getting older man, might > help eh. :-) I'll try to, I'll do my damned best! Tord *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On 9/27/07, Tord Eriksson <tord_at_tord.nu> wrote: > > > > Stay healthy as possible Tord. Hey, just stop getting older man, might > > help eh. :-) > > I'll try to, I'll do my damned best! Science has found an alternative to getting older but you don't get to do much paddling. It's called "dying young". That is one problem I've cross off my "worry list". :) Craig Jungers Royal City, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Luckily for the list we have wise old guys like you (not "wiseguys", okay). I learn from almost every technical post you make, or at least shift perspectives enough to always see a different facet to a discussion. As for "dying young," we just lost a BC university student last week off Lumli Island out solo kayaking, I believe. Very sad, to say the least. Way too young. Weather hasn't been that great. Hope Steve Holtzman and his wife had a good kayak trip amoungst the San Juans, et al, recently. Still waiting for summer. Bought mt girls their own SOT's - dind't get much use. Doug (mostly in lurk mode these days) On 9/27/07, Tord Eriksson <tord_at_tord.nu> wrote: > Stay healthy as possible Tord. Hey, just stop getting older man, might > help eh. :-) I'll try to, I'll do my damned best! Science has found an alternative to getting older but you don't get to do much paddling. It's called "dying young". That is one problem I've cross off my "worry list". :) Craig Jungers Royal City, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
You should take them west of the Cascades for good summer paddling. I've been on Upper Priest Lake (in Idaho) twice; once with my son-in-law and then two weeks later an overnighter with my son. I'm sure there are equivalent lakes (or even better!) up in the Okanogan. I did have a great paddle in cool weather with Dave Kruger on the Columbia River with both my son and son-in-law. Our daughter had the great good sense to marry a guy who was willing to learn to paddle. :) Dave and I exchanged nice words about you and sent good wishes north. Wish you could have been with us. Sorry to hear about the paddler off Lummi. I really hate it when someone dies kayaking because it is generally something that could have been avoided. Paddling on any stretch of salt water (and on large lakes) is not Disneyland North and people need to realize that it's not just a matter of sitting down and heading out. There is a skillset. And many thanks for the kind thoughts. I'm looking forward to a time when both you and Dave K. have rekindled your writing bugs. Craig Craig Jungers Royal City, WA On 9/27/07, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote: > > Luckily for the list we have wise old guys like you (not "wiseguys", > okay). I learn from almost every technical post you make, or at least shift > perspectives enough to always see a different facet to a discussion. > > As for "dying young," we just lost a BC university student last week off > Lumli Island out solo kayaking, I believe. Very sad, to say the least. Way > too young. Weather hasn't been that great. Hope Steve Holtzman and his wife > had a good kayak trip amoungst the San Juans, et al, recently. Still waiting > for summer. Bought mt girls their own SOT's - dind't get much use. > > Doug (mostly in lurk mode these days) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi Doug, and Craig (the dogs doing OK?)! On Friday 28 September 2007 02:27, you wrote: > Luckily for the list we have wise old guys like you (not "wiseguys", > okay). I learn from almost every technical post you make, or at least > shift perspectives enough to always see a different facet to a > discussion. Ditto, ditto, friend! > As for "dying young," we just lost a BC university student last week off > Lumli Island out solo kayaking, I believe. Very sad, to say the least. Solo kayak means you have to be extra careful, but as usual just sheer bad luck is a factor, as usual! > Way too young. Indeed! At the lake we usually paddle there was, for several years, a Laser chained to a tree - if I remember correctly the owner, a young kid, had fallen off and drowned, probably in cold water, and out on his own! > Weather hasn't been that great. Again, ditto - one of the wettest summers on record! And we have records going back hundreds of years! > Hope Steve Holtzman and > his wife had a good kayak trip amoungst the San Juans, et al, recently. > Still waiting for summer. Bought mt girls their own SOT's - dind't get > much use. Today lovely weather, but have to work - the wind is strong, south-easterly, usually bringing bad weather from Russia! We'll see ... Global warming and over-use of fertilizers is killing our marine flora and fauna here in Europe - overfishing doesn't help either! The coastline here isn't too different from west-side of Vancouver Island, but the water is warmer (all that heat from the Gulf Stream, you know), and, I guess, it is windier (the aneometer at the city airport blew away one day, after having registered 62 m/s (124 knots!), so wisely that airport is now closed down and have been turned into a golf course, model airplane field, villas, and a highway!). On the other hand we don't have any tides to worry about, the water level varying only as an effect of weather, our tides being in the decimeter range, while constant gales at times pile up the water in the river downtown over 2 meters, flooding the surrounding streets and blocks. The negative side of having no tides is that the water becomes more stagnant, so the Baltic only gets its water replaced once in a few years, at best. The best idea for saving the Baltic, before it goes totally dead, is to make much of it into a freshwater lake, by building a dam across it, from close to Stockholm to Ebo (Turkku, in Finnish). That way the north half will be a controlled environment - very alive and thriving, while the south would be left to the claws of commercial transport and others. One problem is the hydroelectric damns that release their water in an unnatural way, all through the year, while real rivers release their water mainly in the summer, adding lots and lots of nutrients, and oxygen, when it is needed the most by the normal creatures and plants in the sea. Alas, they don't get it (most of the nutrients have settled in the dams, and the oxygen is long gone), so at summertime the Baltic is becoming an oxygen-free, putrid pond, filled with poisonous algae. But here on the west side, things are little better! Sadly, the sea is mostly dead, a process that started over 200 hundred years ago, when the coral reefs off shore died. Now you rarely see any fish in the coastal areas, while the jellyfish still seem to thrive. The number of spieces of marine life is rapidly dwindling, and in the Baltic the situation is far worse, the bottoms being totally dead, just dead muck (that one day will turn into oil, no doubt). The coastal zone is still fairly OK, but not well. Recently a lot of auks and similar spieces (most of them rare visitors) have ended up on our coast, dead, after having starved to death out in the Atlantic, so something real bad is going on. Sigh! Off to work, Tord *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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