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From: Peter Rattenbury <ratten_at_uow.edu.au>
subject: [Paddlewise] When is a Kayak Not a Kayak?
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:15:21 +1100
While I admire the entrepreneurial skill and daring of the two lads
paddling their way to New Zealand from Australia I would question the
description of their craft as a 'kayak'.



How many kayaks weigh in at 930kg,  cost around A$250,000 and boast a
two-man sleeping pod?  How would you describe this craft?  A high-tech
ocean going two-man paddle-powered survival craft ?   It surely can't be
classed in the same category as the kayaks that people such as Lindeman,
Speck, McCauley  etc used.  This doesn't detract one iota from their
effort,  but I think their set up puts them more in the category of the
rowers who have crossed the Atlantic etc in purpose built craft.



http://www.crossingtheditch.com.au/news/day-two.html



Cheers, PeterR
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From: Melissa Reese <melissa_at_bonnyweeboaty.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] When is a Kayak Not a Kayak?
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:07:54 -0700
Peter wrote:

> While I admire the entrepreneurial skill and daring of the two lads
> paddling their way to New Zealand from Australia I would question the
> description of their craft as a 'kayak'.

Yes, while it certainly is a "paddle craft", I'd have difficulty calling
it a kayak.  Why not just come up with a new name for this purpose
built, almost kayak-like craft?

"Tasariaq"?

I do wish them a happy and safe journey, "kayak" or not!

-- 
Melissa
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From: Jackie Myers <jackie_at_muddypuppies.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] When is a Kayak Not a Kayak?
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:10:30 -0800
Peter Rattenbury wrote:

>While I admire the entrepreneurial skill and daring of the two lads
>paddling their way to New Zealand from Australia I would question the
>description of their craft as a 'kayak'.
>
>  
>


I don't see a problem.  Afterall, a canoe can be propelled by a single 
paddler or transport an entire village :-)

Some cool canoe pics....

http://www.blackfishwilderness.com/canoehistory.htm


Jackie
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From: Duane Strosaker <strosaker_at_yahoo.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] When is a Kayak Not a Kayak?
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:04:44 -0800 (PST)
Peter R.,
   
  I'd call it a boat powered by double bladed paddles, but it will be a spectacular feat nontheless. And more so, if I was going to cross such a large body of water, I'd want and consider it prudent to be in a similar boat rather than a kayak.
   
  Duane
  Southern California
  www.rollordrown.com
  

Peter Rattenbury <ratten_at_uow.edu.au> wrote:
  While I admire the entrepreneurial skill and daring of the two lads
paddling their way to New Zealand from Australia I would question the
description of their craft as a 'kayak'.



How many kayaks weigh in at 930kg, cost around A$250,000 and boast a
two-man sleeping pod? How would you describe this craft? A high-tech
ocean going two-man paddle-powered survival craft ? It surely can't be
classed in the same category as the kayaks that people such as Lindeman,
Speck, McCauley etc used. This doesn't detract one iota from their
effort, but I think their set up puts them more in the category of the
rowers who have crossed the Atlantic etc in purpose built craft.



http://www.crossingtheditch.com.au/news/day-two.html



Cheers, PeterR
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From: Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] When is a Kayak Not a Kayak?
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:29:53 -0800
And there are those who would question the description of a kayak as a 
vessel for doing long crossings. :-)

DL


> While I admire the entrepreneurial skill and daring of the two lads
> paddling their way to New Zealand from Australia I would question the
> description of their craft as a 'kayak'.
>
>
>
> How many kayaks weigh in at 930kg,  cost around A$250,000 and boast a
> two-man sleeping pod?  How would you describe this craft?  A high-tech
> ocean going two-man paddle-powered survival craft ?   It surely can't be
> classed in the same category as the kayaks that people such as Lindeman,
> Speck, McCauley  etc used.  This doesn't detract one iota from their
> effort,  but I think their set up puts them more in the category of the
> rowers who have crossed the Atlantic etc in purpose built craft.
>
>
>
> http://www.crossingtheditch.com.au/news/day-two.html
>
>
>
> Cheers, PeterR
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From: Tord Eriksson <tord_at_tord.nu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] When is a Kayak Not a Kayak?
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:05:19 +0100
On Saturday 24 November 2007 16:10, Melissa wrote:
> Yes, while it certainly is a "paddle craft", I'd have difficulty calling
> it a kayak.  Why not just come up with a new name for this purpose
> built, almost kayak-like craft?

Maybe Kayoot - half kayak, half uboot?

Tord

PS I wonder how they manage paddling downwind with that
huge cabin in the rear, unless it has a sailboat-sized keel!

Even paddling with a force 5 side wind must be VERY difficult.
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