Since Paddlewise includes boat people from many varieties of boats, I thought I'd show you all a site I stumbled across this evening. The transom in my 34 year old Carver, Ad Hoc, has some dry rot in the core down at the bottom and I've been kinda looking around for some epoxy resin I could just inject through holes into the core to firm it up. I stumbled over this web page: http://www.rotdoctor.com/glass/GLrotrepair.html and thought I'd pass it along. They produce an epoxy that is sprayable!!! You can literally spray it into a small hole where its viscosity is such that it will then flow down into the substrate and invade the dry-rotted wood. When it cures then it's hard. It helps to use compressed air or something to dry out the wood. This outfit also makes some polyurethane varnishes that look promising for kayak builders as well as other boaters. They're located in Seattle. Some of you may have used their products before but I was damned glad to find them. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Craig Jungers wrote: > Since Paddlewise includes boat people from many varieties of boats, I > thought I'd show you all a site I stumbled across this evening. The transom > in my 34 year old Carver, Ad Hoc, has some dry rot in the core down at the > bottom and I've been kinda looking around for some epoxy resin I could just > inject through holes into the core to firm it up. I stumbled over this web > page: http://www.rotdoctor.com/glass/GLrotrepair.html and thought I'd pass > it along. They produce an epoxy that is sprayable!!! You can literally spray > it into a small hole where its viscosity is such that it will then flow down > into the substrate and invade the dry-rotted wood. When it cures then it's > hard. It helps to use compressed air or something to dry out the wood. > > This outfit also makes some polyurethane varnishes that look promising for > kayak builders as well as other boaters. I like System Three for stuff like this, but the Rot Doctor guy has done a fine job of merchandising his materials. Wooden boat geeks quarrel about the efficacy of so-called "penetrating" epoxy formulations, with some claiming that the compartmented cellular structure of wood inhibits penetration much beyond a millimeter or so. Such naysayers claim a repair made the Rot Doctor way looks good from the outside but remains infirm within. These doom and gloomers assert that a hog it all out and bring in good wood to mate to whatever good wood remains is the only sure way to firm up dry rotted areas. I don't know, myself, but I'd think some electron micrographs of cross-sections would be definitive. Does the Rot Doctor have babies like that? BTW, System Three has marketed water-based two-part polyurethane coatings (clear and in a variety of colors as well) for some 15-plus years. that's what my mothership has on it, and I am stone-cold blown away at how durable the two-part formulations are: an order of magnitude better than the one-part hardware store materials. The West Coast Paddler crowd also has used this stuff, in clear, with excellent results, on kayaks. Beats trad varnishes all hollow for durability. No affiliation with System Three, just a satisfied customer. Oh, yeah, they are also in the Seattle metro area. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
These days when I paddle out of Newport, there's always a flotilla of boats at anchor that are just calling to be my next home. This one is my favorite: www.sandmarks.net/HomeSweetHome.jpg They'd all need a vat large enough to dip the whole boat into the penetrating epoxy though, that may be a problem! Mark -----Original Message----- You can literally spray it into a small hole where its viscosity is such that it will then flow down into the substrate and invade the dry-rotted wood. When it cures then it's hard. It helps to use compressed air or something to dry out the wood. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Yes, when I see that boat, I think of it in its heyday. I'm sure it was a real looker on its maiden voyage. Her skipper now must lead an interesting life keeping her afloat I think. I have a bit of begrudging envy for those folk who live out their lives on boats barely holding onto their own! Mark Sanders -----Original Message----- From: DMcNally [mailto:dmcnally_at_pacificcoast.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 7:55 PM To: Mark Sanders Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Epoxies and Polyurethanes Aw, that is one beauty seriously neglected. What a sad thing to let that lovely boat go like that. Haul it out and get on the dipping :-) Diane Vancouver Island vicarious paddler ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Sanders To: Craig Jungers ; Paddlewise net Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:53 PM Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Epoxies and Polyurethanes These days when I paddle out of Newport, there's always a flotilla of boats at anchor that are just calling to be my next home. This one is my favorite: www.sandmarks.net/HomeSweetHome.jpg They'd all need a vat large enough to dip the whole boat into the penetrating epoxy though, that may be a problem! Mark *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
No big deal if he just lives on it, like those people in Hongkong harbor (room ashore is expensive, but barges are cheaper, divided into sleeping quarters by plywood sheets or curtains, with a collective pit toilet). In downtown Vancouver there is about a dozen of such permanently anchored vessels, OK for living but not for voages (pit toilet is still individual, which is to be expected at higher North American life standards). The city has been trying to evict waterborn squatters for years, and I've heard they were winning (the city, that is). Haven't checked, may be they are already gone. I have a nostalgic feeling for them - a kind of "last freedom". > Yes, when I see that boat, I think of it in its heyday. I'm sure it was a > real looker on its maiden voyage. Her skipper now must lead an interesting > life keeping her afloat I think. I have a bit of begrudging envy for those > folk who live out their lives on boats barely holding onto their own! > > Mark Sanders *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>>Yes, when I see that boat, I think of it in its heyday. I'm sure it was a real looker on its maiden voyage. Her skipper now must lead an interesting life keeping her afloat I think. I have a bit of begrudging envy for those folk who live out their lives on boats barely holding onto their own! Before you guys get too nostalgic over the derelicts in Newport Harbor it should be pointed out that many of them are part of a con game for transferring the mooring. The moorings are owned by the city and cannot be sold. But the boat on the mooring can be sold and the mooring can then be transfered to the new owner. Since the waiting list for moorings in this bay is a joke, some people have been been on the list for thirty or forty years, the price of the precious moorings, um, I mean the boats on them, is through the roof! Scott So.Cal. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:59 AM, Scott Hilliard <kiayker_at_sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > Before you guys get too nostalgic over the derelicts in Newport Harbor it > should be pointed out that many of them are part of a con game for > transferring the mooring. The moorings are owned by the city and cannot be > sold. But the boat on the mooring can be sold and the mooring can then be > transfered to the new owner. Since the waiting list for moorings in this bay > is a joke, some people have been been on the list for thirty or forty years, > the price of the precious moorings, um, I mean the boats on them, is through > the roof! > I think Mark's remarks revolve around the transient moorage not the fixed mooring buoys that are regulated by the city. Theoretically, anchoring in navigable waterways in the USA is regulated by the USCG and whenever a vessel is anchored (which is what a "mooring" is, really) it must conform to certain rules; mostly the requirement to display an anchor light at night and a day signal (a "ball") during the day. As time went on certain areas of certain harbors became popular for the more-or-less permanent "anchoring" of small vessels which were unmanned and upon which the display of the night signal light was difficult, if not impossible. Since there was no one aboard then there was no one to light the kerosine anchor light. The USCG then created designated these popular mooring area to be specific anchoring zones and marked them on harbor charts. A vessel anchored within the boundaries of these zones need not display anchor lights nor day shapes. As long as the numbers of small craft were small and/or owned by the wealthy this system worked just fine. Fast forward to the 1970s and the huge upsurge in boat ownership of yachts and yachting. When fiberglass boats made their way onto the scene the values of wooden boats plummeted because of their relatively high maintenance costs and because a replacement boat in fiberglass could be less than half the cost of an equivalent boat in wood. At about the same time there was a big run-up in real estate values and some municipalities discovered that the designated anchorage zones rapidly filled with boats of questionable seaworthiness occupied by people of questionable values; namely: hippies! These designated anchorage zones were soon crammed to capacity and expanded well beyond their legal boundaries. By the end of the 70s there had appeared on the scene several committees designed to bring this situation under control. After all, no one wanted to buy a million dollar waterfront home only to find unwashed hippies living almost on their doorstep in boats that could sink at any moment. So legal efforts were organized to kick these boats out. Unfortunately, the USCG did not want to un-designate the anchorage areas feeling that they served a purpose. And the USCG did not have the manpower nor inclination to police the boats outside the areas. So municipalities formed their own on-the-water police forces which then began to enforce the USCG rules about displaying anchor lights and day shapes. Some municipalities got very creative in their attempts to gain control over the navigable waterways. Richardson Bay, just inside the Golden Gate Bridge was actually platted by the city of Sausalito which then declared its dominion over the bottom of the Bay and anything which might be stuck into it. This allowed them to police transient yachts which were often anchored there perfectly legally and occupied by families headed to the South Pacific (and beyond). Newport Beach had already reached a deal with the USCG to allow the city to control all their waterways as long as they left the designated anchorage areas alone and had "reasonable" rules to allow anchoring of transient vessels. San Diego had at least two designated anchorage areas (one right next to the airport) and likewise created a Harbor Police with the responsibility for policing USCG regulations; almost exclusively upon small craft. The result was that "legal" moorings suddenly became valuable bits of "property" by virtue of their new regulated status and transient moorings could be made available only at a charge. Anchoring, in the traditional way, became almost nonexistent except in a few tiny poorly-marked areas. But the "boat people" were loathe to give up their lifestyles and found creative ways to get around the rules. One way was to go outside the harbor and anchor for a few days (or weeks) and then make their way back into the harbor to set their hooks for whatever period of time was legally allotted to them. Whenever a boat sank in the designated anchorage areas someone in the permanent fleet would quickly take over the spot. Even more recently there have been extra efforts by the cities to evict even the members of the designated anchorage areas and turn them into more-profitable moorings which could generate tax revenue. I don't know where these efforts have gone but based on the history I'd guess that, barring some creative legal maneuver, the cities will have their way. Sausalito suffered a setback in the 1980s from such creative legal maneuvering when a court decision required the city to either cease evictions of waterfront residents or face fines or a reduction in grants. This was because Sausalito, possibly the very definition of trendy, had no "low income housing" and was therefore not following California State Law. I don't know where that went either. So the fact that these moorings are now valuable is more-or-less the result of legal maneuvering by various municipal agencies which were originally designed to bring semi-permanent anchorages under their control and to add to the tax base. I kinda agree with Mark. I'd hate to see the "boat people" lose out completely. None of us knows when we might be suddenly faced with living on a boat or living on the street. Especially in this economic climate. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. 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Oh, it's different in Vancouver False Creek. Here they were precisely squatters, occupying what was a kind of "grey area" between the city (that owned the area before and allowed unlimited anchorage), and high-rise development monster owning now most of the shores around (but it was unclear something in their water rights, so they couldn't just kick the boats out). There were no moorings to be legally occupied or transferred as I understand. They lived on what used to be free waters, right in downtown core, making many people envy, because very few can afford a waterfront apartment there. Keeping half-rotten boat as a place holder for a precious mooring isn't, in my eyes, something morally different from keeping an old unlivable shack on purchased, yet undeveloped plot of land, waiting for price to go up (such people normally don't need this land for living, it's merely money for them). > Before you guys get too nostalgic over the derelicts in Newport Harbor it should be pointed out that many of them are part of a con game for transferring the mooring. The moorings are owned by the city and cannot be sold. But the boat on the mooring can be sold and the mooring can then be transfered to the new owner. Since the waiting list for moorings in this bay is a joke, some people have been been on the list for thirty or forty years, the price of the precious moorings, um, I mean the boats on them, is through the roof! > > Scott > So.Cal. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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