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In reference to the capsize event mentioned in the NY Times article, I sent an email to the author asking for clarification on the situation since it seemed like they could have tried a contact tow with the remaining paddle and possibly made it to the island without abandoning the boats. Or maybe made progress with hand paddling. She very kindly responded and said that the article had been shortened and some of the details lost. In fact, she had lost her paddle too when she capsized so they had no paddles remaining. They also had tried hand paddling but were not able to make progress against the current. Their options were to stay with the boats or swim for the island. They were also concerned that if they stayed with the boats, they would end up capsizing again without paddles to brace. So the option to swim makes more sense to me now...but that's a really tough call and they were very lucky those hunters were going by. Mark Goff Hampden, Maine -----Original Message----- From: James Farrelly <jfarrelly5_at_comcast.net> To: Paddlewise Paddlewise <paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net> Sent: Sun, Jan 24, 2010 8:48 pm Subject: [Paddlewise] Lives - Capsized - NYTimes.com http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/24/magazine/24lives-t.html?ref=todayspaper Jim et al *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Greetings from Maui, The most important "detail" is still lost unfortunately, which is their lack of technique and training before venturing into open waters. Her analytical mind cover her current life insurance, but never reminded her of the need of a good rolling technique. But I guess the life jacket she was probably wearing made her safe anyways. Fernando Lopez Arbarello www.FerLopez.com On Jan 24, 2010, at 4:25 PM, goffma_at_aol.com wrote: > She very kindly responded and said that the article had been shortened and > some of the details lost. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Mark, Since you are already in touch with her, maybe you could recommend to her that she work up an article discussing cold water boating safety. She would have benefitted from a little more education before going out and there are a lot of people in her situation. Some good information in the NY Times could save lives. Swimming for it has an extremely high probability of failure. I take it they were wearing life jackets otherwise they probably would not have been able to stay afloat long enough to get rescued. Some interesting information on the subject is available at: http://www.vimeo.com/4534662 and Chuck Sutherland can provide even more. http://www.enter.net/~skimmer/coldwater.html Nick On Jan 24, 2010, at 9:25 PM, goffma_at_aol.com wrote: > In reference to the capsize event mentioned in the NY Times article, I sent an > email to the author asking for clarification on the situation since it seemed > like they could have tried a contact tow with the remaining paddle and > possibly made it to the island without abandoning the boats. Or maybe made > progress with hand paddling. > > She very kindly responded and said that the article had been shortened and > some of the details lost. In fact, she had lost her paddle too when she > capsized so they had no paddles remaining. They also had tried hand paddling > but were not able to make progress against the current. Their options were to > stay with the boats or swim for the island. They were also concerned that if > they stayed with the boats, they would end up capsizing again without paddles > to brace. > > So the option to swim makes more sense to me now...but that's a really tough > call and they were very lucky those hunters were going by. [Please remove all old content that is not pertinent to your reply including old headers and footers. It's list policy.... this post was modified to meet policy] *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Jan 25, 2010, at 10:45 AM, Nick Schade wrote: > Mark, > Since you are already in touch with her, maybe you could recommend to her that she work up an article discussing cold water boating safety. She would have benefitted from a little more education before going out and there are a lot of people in her situation. Some good information in the NY Times could save lives. Two years ago our club conducted a small cold water training class. It helped immensely. After participating in the class I modified how I dress in cold Southern waters. Yesterday I did a little surfing off Tybee Island near Savannah, GA USA in 53 degree water and somewhat high winds. I was very comfortable the whole time and chatted with a friend in the parking lot for 25 minutes afterwards in my wet paddling gear. Two things I learned were that I seem to have dialed in my paddling garb for local conditions and that I am out of shape at the moment to go surfing. My chronological position in the cosmos isn't helping either. Jim et al *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:55 PM, James Farrelly <JFarrelly5_at_comcast.net>wrote: > My chronological position in the cosmos isn't helping either. > > I hear that!!! And the "out of shape" part too. Normally I cross-country ski in the winter but this winter it takes a 3-hour drive to get to snow that's deep enough to ski on so I'm making do with ice skating at the local rink. It is *much* harder on my muscles to ice skate (and stay upright) than it is to x/c ski so I don't get as much out of the sessions. And I have to say that paddling on 34F water is not as much fun - even dressed for it - as paddling on 70F water. Maybe it's just me. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Matt wrote, >Even though they were criminals and should be prosecuted for poaching you would think >you might not want to bite the hand that just saved your ass. G'Day, A piece of line costs virtually nothing and is of no incovenience whatsoever, what on earth happened to the idea of paddle tethers. And I'm with Matt on not biting the hand that rescues you and which may well rescue other people in the future? All the best, PeterO *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Greetings from Maui, The most important "detail" is still lost unfortunately, which is their lack of technique and training before venturing into open waters. Her analytical mind cover her current life insurance, but never reminded her of the need of a good rolling technique. But I guess the life jacket she was probably wearing made her safe anyways. Fernando Lopez Arbarello www.FerLopez.com On Jan 24, 2010, at 4:25 PM, goffma_at_aol.com wrote: > She very kindly responded and said that the article had been shortened and > some of the details lost. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>Swimming for it has an extremely high probability of failure. I take it they were wearing life jackets otherwise they probably would not have been able to stay afloat long enough to get rescued. > After a spate of inshore deaths among SKers here in NJ a few years ago, we were all reminded of the 50/50 rule: If water temp is 50 or below and you are 50 yards or more from shore, you have a 50/50 chance of surviving... JP *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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