Have you, like me, noticed how many people are wearing clothes by North Face? Is this some fad I missed out on completely? Even the shoppers in Wal-Mart (uh... I never shop there... my wife made me go in.... I shop at Goodwill and Salvation Army) wear North Face clothes. It must drive the Wal-Mart folks nuts. To my daughter's everlasting shame, I have no fashion sense at all and am happiest wearing an old sweater with holes in the sleeves that I got for Christmas in 1972. And I swear that I saw a teenage girl prancing around the mall in my old ripped and torn jeans. My wife went for the innocent look but when I got back home I couldn't find them anywhere. So there went the only possible fashion sense garment that I had. For some reason I am on the email list of www.backcountry.com and they seem to be having some sort of sale where they are offering tons of discontinued bits of clothing by North Face. Since my 1972 sweater is still perfectly good I have no need of this information but thought that there might be some on Paddlewise who could benefit by giving it a look. North Face does, apparently, make some stuff that is suitable for paddling and/or as a layer under your drysuit. I dunno if the prices are good and I have absolutely no link with backcountry.com. They, on the other hand, seem to feel that they have a link with me and are sending me friendly emails. It must have been the Kokatat SeaO2 PFD I finally broke down and bought last month. I hope that's not on sale... I'm afraid to look. Luckily 1972 sweaters with holes in the sleeves have not as yet caught on with the teenage girls. Caveat Paddler. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Wouldn't want to show my Washington (DC, not the rainy place) cynicism or anything, Craig -- so I'm sure that the Washington street vendors who sell piles and piles of "North Face" goods all do so in complete confidence that their wares are genuine. But "North Face" jackets are the "in" winter wear in this part of the world, too, and seem to be most popular with urban survivors. It is fortunate that whatever poly is used to fleece the buyers, it is most stretchy, thus effectively circumnavigating the girths of the local wearers -- not likely to be kayakers. Joq -----Original Message----- From: owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net] On Behalf Of Craig Jungers Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 1:21 PM To: Paddlewise Paddlewise Subject: [Paddlewise] Fashion Sense Have you, like me, noticed how many people are wearing clothes by North Face? Is this some fad I missed out on completely? Even the shoppers in Wal-Mart (uh... I never shop there... my wife made me go in.... I shop at Goodwill and Salvation Army) wear North Face clothes. It must drive the Wal-Mart folks nuts. To my daughter's everlasting shame, I have no fashion sense at all and am happiest wearing an old sweater with holes in the sleeves that I got for Christmas in 1972. And I swear that I saw a teenage girl prancing around the mall in my old ripped and torn jeans. My wife went for the innocent look but when I got back home I couldn't find them anywhere. So there went the only possible fashion sense garment that I had. For some reason I am on the email list of www.backcountry.com and they seem to be having some sort of sale where they are offering tons of discontinued bits of clothing by North Face. Since my 1972 sweater is still perfectly good I have no need of this information but thought that there might be some on Paddlewise who could benefit by giving it a look. North Face does, apparently, make some stuff that is suitable for paddling and/or as a layer under your drysuit. I dunno if the prices are good and I have absolutely no link with backcountry.com. They, on the other hand, seem to feel that they have a link with me and are sending me friendly emails. It must have been the Kokatat SeaO2 PFD I finally broke down and bought last month. I hope that's not on sale... I'm afraid to look. Luckily 1972 sweaters with holes in the sleeves have not as yet caught on with the teenage girls. Caveat Paddler. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On 30/03/2010 1:20 PM, Craig Jungers wrote: > Have you, like me, noticed how many people are wearing clothes by North > Face? Is this some fad I missed out on completely? Even the shoppers in > Wal-Mart (uh... I never shop there... my wife made me go in.... I shop at > Goodwill and Salvation Army) wear North Face clothes. It must drive the > Wal-Mart folks nuts. > > To my daughter's everlasting shame, I have no fashion sense at all and am > happiest wearing an old sweater with holes in the sleeves that I got for > Christmas in 1972. And I swear that I saw a teenage girl prancing around the > mall in my old ripped and torn jeans. My wife went for the innocent look but > when I got back home I couldn't find them anywhere. So there went the only > possible fashion sense garment that I had. > > For some reason I am on the email list of www.backcountry.com and they seem > to be having some sort of sale where they are offering tons of discontinued > bits of clothing by North Face. Since my 1972 sweater is still perfectly > good I have no need of this information but thought that there might be some > on Paddlewise who could benefit by giving it a look. North Face does, > apparently, make some stuff that is suitable for paddling and/or as a layer > under your drysuit. > > I dunno if the prices are good and I have absolutely no link with > backcountry.com. They, on the other hand, seem to feel that they have a link > with me and are sending me friendly emails. It must have been the Kokatat > SeaO2 PFD I finally broke down and bought last month. I hope that's not on > sale... I'm afraid to look. > > Luckily 1972 sweaters with holes in the sleeves have not as yet caught on > with the teenage girls. > > Caveat Paddler. > > > Craig Jungers > Moses Lake, WA > www.nwkayaking.net I have a sweater I bought in Ireland in 1963. It is, I must confess, a bit the worse for wear, but I continue to haul it out and wear it. The sleeves now sport leather patches, and where I roll up the cuff one turn, that fold also now has leather patches. I have yet to figure out how to make leather patches for the various holes that are appearing in the chest and back however. Or, to be more precise, how to get leather patches that will cover these holes and avoid my wife's wrath. (She's already on the edge whenever I put it on.) I do not, however, wear this sweater while paddling. Not even under my drysuit. (Obligatory paddling content.) Fashion sense? I've gotten along very nicely, thank you very much, without it for over six decades. Why worry about it now? -- Darryl *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Darryl Johnson <darryl_johnson_at_rogers.com>wrote: > > Fashion sense? I've gotten along very nicely, thank you very much, without > it for over six decades. Why worry about it now? > > Amen brother, amen! Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Confessions of a fashion fiend: There are actual fashion rules one would follow. The Patagucci and North Face gear is worn to the grocery store and Home Depot, which makes you look manly and outdoorsy. The good outdoor clothing rairly gets outside the city limits. Whatever is worn on kayak camping trips is going to receive burn holes from embers from the campfire. Therefore, a sacrificial jacket is needed for trips, one that is warm but already has burn holes from previous trips. The same principle applies to shirts, pants, socks, etc. Sturdy warm clothing is needed, but rarely is brand new stuff abused in the bush. My official camping jacket is an inexpensive L.L.Bean pile item that is covered with scorch marks from my Svea stove and campfires. Conversely, said jacket goes cross-country skiing, but never shopping. The Early Winters pile jacket ($5 at a garage sale) is extremely warm and comfortable, and is only worn at home, preferably with a cup of coffee and a newspaper. The sweatpants ($5 at Target on sale) can go anywhere, because $5 is a pitance and so they are expendable (I bought multiple pairs on sale). I would not dream of going kayaking or camping with the good stuff, hence the good stuff seldom gets used. This is very bad economics, but sterling fashion sense. Brad > On 30/03/2010 1:20 PM, Craig Jungers wrote: >> Have you, like me, noticed how many people are wearing clothes by North >> Face? Is this some fad I missed out on completely? Even the shoppers in >> Wal-Mart (uh... I never shop there... my wife made me go in.... I shop at >> Goodwill and Salvation Army) wear North Face clothes. It must drive the >> Wal-Mart folks nuts. >> >> To my daughter's everlasting shame, I have no fashion sense at all and am >> happiest wearing an old sweater with holes in the sleeves that I got for >> Christmas in 1972. And I swear that I saw a teenage girl prancing around the >> mall in my old ripped and torn jeans. My wife went for the innocent look but >> when I got back home I couldn't find them anywhere. So there went the only >> possible fashion sense garment that I had. Darryl Johnson responded: > I have a sweater I bought in Ireland in 1963. It is, I must confess, > a bit the worse for wear, but I continue to haul it out and wear it. > > The sleeves now sport leather patches, and where I roll up the cuff > one turn, that fold also now has leather patches. I have yet to > figure out how to make leather patches for the various holes that > are appearing in the chest and back however. Or, to be more precise, > how to get leather patches that will cover these holes and avoid my > wife's wrath. (She's already on the edge whenever I put it on.) > > I do not, however, wear this sweater while paddling. Not even under > my drysuit. (Obligatory paddling content.) > > Fashion sense? I've gotten along very nicely, thank you very much, > without it for over six decades. Why worry about it now? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On 3/31/2010 12:40 AM, Bradford R. Crain wrote: > Whatever is worn on kayak camping trips is going to receive burn holes > from embers from the campfire. Therefore, a sacrificial jacket is needed > for trips, one that is warm but already has burn holes from previous trips. Agreed. I just hate having to burn that first hole to allow me to take it on trips. I usually let a neighbor kid do it. Steve -- Steve Cramer Athens, GA http://www.savvypaddler.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Steve Cramer wrote: > On 3/31/2010 12:40 AM, Bradford R. Crain wrote: > >> Whatever is worn on kayak camping trips is going to receive burn holes >> from embers from the campfire. Therefore, a sacrificial jacket is needed >> for trips, one that is warm but already has burn holes from previous trips. >> > > Agreed. I just hate having to burn that first hole to allow me to take > it on trips. I usually let a neighbor kid do it. I just recently got a wood stove fireplace insert. While stocking the other day an ember popped out and burned a good size hole in my North Face fleece jacket. Fortunately, there is a North Face store at a large outlet mall between where I live and NYC and I'll be traveling that way in a couple of weeks. Since I work at a large university in the northeast I get to see first hand what the fashion trends are for winter wear. At least at Cornell, North Face is *so* 2008 and has been recently superceded by Mountain Hardwear clothing. -- John Fereira Cornell University Twitter: _at_john_fereira Google Wave: fereira_at_googlewave.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I use heavy North Face for the mountains and light North Face for fast hill walking - love it. Nice in the city too. I find the gear superior. There is better - but more money. There is adequate and not so good, for less. Fashion consequences? Unintended? Do know. Don't care. For kayaking and cycling, I use other brands that are sport specific. Of course, shopping in Wal-Mart is pretty sporting these days, given the cost of household goods as we try to save dollars. Goodwill? Not so much for me. Regardless, I prefer North Face (or even co-op gear)clad geeks roaming the malls over Gangsta clad, older teens with an attitude... DL Craig said: Have you, like me, noticed how many people are wearing clothes by North Face? Is this some fad I missed out on completely? Even the shoppers in Wal-Mart (uh... I never shop there... my wife made me go in.... I shop at Goodwill and Salvation Army) wear North Face clothes. It must drive the Wal-Mart folks nuts. To my daughter's everlasting shame, I have no fashion sense at all and am happiest wearing an old sweater with holes in the sleeves that I got for Christmas in 1972. And I swear that I saw a teenage girl prancing around the mall in my old ripped and torn jeans. My wife went for the innocent look but when I got back home I couldn't find them anywhere. So there went the only possible fashion sense garment that I had. For some reason I am on the email list of www.backcountry.com and they seem to be having some sort of sale where they are offering tons of discontinued bits of clothing by North Face. Since my 1972 sweater is still perfectly good I have no need of this information but thought that there might be some on Paddlewise who could benefit by giving it a look. North Face does, apparently, make some stuff that is suitable for paddling and/or as a layer under your drysuit. I dunno if the prices are good and I have absolutely no link with backcountry.com. They, on the other hand, seem to feel that they have a link with me and are sending me friendly emails. It must have been the Kokatat SeaO2 PFD I finally broke down and bought last month. I hope that's not on sale... I'm afraid to look. Luckily 1972 sweaters with holes in the sleeves have not as yet caught on with the teenage girls. Caveat Paddler. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:47 PM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote: > Goodwill? Not so much for me. > > My daughter, the Goodwill queen, can regularly find exotic clothing even at the dinky little Goodwill store here in Moses Lake. My merino wool clothing comes from her visits to the store. North Face clothing is a regular item. She has also bought entire Lego collections for $4.99! I have about 1,000 hard back books in my library (an actual room in our little lake house) - some of them signed first editions - and 95% of them were bought for between 99 cents and $2 at Goodwill, Value Village or Salvation Army. I started the library when we lived on the farm to give our kids a research resource (pre-Internet) and it just kept growing. I've told my wife that when I die she should get an appraiser in to assess the value of the collection. It includes everything from archaeology to zoology and includes about 200 science fiction works. Sue and I equipped a Boy Scout Troop with cross country skis for less than $100. We regularly take the neighborhood kids ice skating and have enough skates to fit all of them because we would buy them when we saw them; usually for under $6.. The walls in our living room are decorated with original (not prints) artworks including two original (signed) photographs of sailing ships in Puget Sound with explanations on the back of what ship, where it was from, where it was when it was photographed and the date and time! It's amazing the things people donate to thrift stores. I found so many over the past 25 years that I could actually make a theme in the living room (boats and water). Pam even found an original watercolor of a kayaker at a Goodwill store in Puget Sound country. You should see the computer books at Salvation Army in Redmond, WA (home of Microsoft). If you don't shop thrift stores, you are missing out!!! :) Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net Shopping at a thrift store is more like an exploration than a shopping trip. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I'm living in my Kokatat Tropos bibs and Co-op Goretex jacket 24/7. The bibs are the best $275 I've EVER spent. The jacket... I have a feeling it ain't gonna last... guess which one is made in China? Fashion? Bleh! Practicality? WooHoo! ~~daniel~ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 23:47:00 -0700 From: "Doug Lloyd" <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Fashion Sense I use heavy North Face for the mountains and light North Face for fast hill walking - love it. Nice in the city too. I find the gear superior. There is better - but more money. There is adequate and not so good, for less. Fashion consequences? Unintended? Do know. Don't care. For kayaking and cycling, I use other brands that are sport specific. Of course, shopping in Wal-Mart is pretty sporting these days, given the cost of household goods as we try to save dollars. Goodwill? Not so much for me. Regardless, I prefer North Face (or even co-op gear)clad geeks roaming the malls over Gangsta clad, older teens with an attitude... DL __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 4:02 PM, <gypsy_trillium_at_yahoo.ca> wrote: > I'm living in my Kokatat Tropos bibs and Co-op Goretex jacket 24/7. The > bibs > are the best $275 I've EVER spent. The jacket... I have a feeling it ain't > gonna last... guess which one is made in China? > > I had a pair of the Kokatat Tropos bibs and I hated them. LOL. The major reason I didn't like them was the ankle gaskets which were so difficult to get over my (admittedly big) feet that I often had to have help. They were relatively comfortable, however, once I got them on. They never felt bulky and seemed to wick moisture well but I never tried them immersed. I bought an NRS heavy-duty drysuit with booties and the bibs burned up in my shop fire last year. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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