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No drysuit, I bet. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 7:24 PM, James Farrelly <JFarrelly5_at_comcast.net>wrote: > http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO140514/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
No drysuit -- water in the mid 40s! Too bad ... http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100422/NEWS/4220326 Jim Tynan Falmouth, MA & Pike Road, AL ________________________________ From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com> To: James Farrelly <JFarrelly5_at_comcast.net> Cc: Paddlewise Paddlewise <paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net> Sent: Thu, April 22, 2010 7:05:02 AM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Whale capsizes canoe in Mass. No drysuit, I bet. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 7:24 PM, James Farrelly <JFarrelly5_at_comcast.net>wrote: > http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO140514/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Sad situation. Warm day -- rescuers in short sleeves -- but serioiusly cold water. Where have we heard that scenario before? Other anecdotal information from other media -- apparently no PFDs involved: local rule that PFDs not necessary after 15 April: boaters had purchased beer earlier in the morning. Lots of data -- not a lot of information. This wasn't more than a "pretty-good-storm" and it still cost one life. Joq -----Original Message----- From: owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net] On Behalf Of Jim Tynan Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:25 PM To: Craig Jungers; James Farrelly Cc: Paddlewise Paddlewise Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Whale capsizes canoe in Mass. No drysuit -- water in the mid 40s! Too bad ... http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100422/NEWS/4220326 Jim Tynan Falmouth, MA & Pike Road, AL ________________________________ From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com> To: James Farrelly <JFarrelly5_at_comcast.net> Cc: Paddlewise Paddlewise <paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net> Sent: Thu, April 22, 2010 7:05:02 AM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Whale capsizes canoe in Mass. No drysuit, I bet. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 7:24 PM, James Farrelly <JFarrelly5_at_comcast.net>wrote: > http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO140514/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On 4/22/2010 1:24 PM, Jim Tynan wrote: > No drysuit -- water in the mid 40s! Too bad ... I wouldn't expect someone who paddles an Old Towne Camper with busted cane seats to own a drysuit. I didn't see any reference to a PFD. According to the article, the rescue boat was there in 10 minutes. 10 minutes in 40+ degree water is distinctly unpleasant, but wouldn't be fatal for most people. http://www.ussartf.org/cold_water_survival.htm Steve -- Steve Cramer Athens, GA http://www.savvypaddler.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Steve Cramer wrote: "I wouldn't expect someone who paddles an Old Towne Camper with busted cane seats to own a drysuit. I didn't see any reference to a PFD. According to the article, the rescue boat was there in 10 minutes. 10 minutes in 40+ degree water is distinctly unpleasant, but wouldn't be fatal for most people." Agreed, Steve, I wouldn't expect to see a canoeist in an Old Town Camper -- nor would I necessarily expect to see a sea kayaker in new, $1800 Necky Looksha -- wearing a drysuit. I'd prefer to expect that both would be wearing a PFD -- maybe less surprised if the canoeist didn't have one. And, yes, data will support the fact that a swimmer can survive more than ten minutes in 45 degree water. But some don't, and often it's cold shock that kills the swimmer. It was a warm day -- from the videos, short-sleeved rescuers. So a warm, unprotected boater suddenly and unexpectedly hits that 45 degree water and can instantly go into cardiac arrest, as your article points out, Steve. If that doesn't get him, the first panic induced gasp for air could start the process of drowning if he's still face down or underwater. It happens. So, yes, swimmers can survive 45 degree water for 30 minutes without permanent damage -- can attest to this personally -- but the shock of an unplanned swim in that kind of water can also kill anyone -- and just as easily. Without PFDs -- let alone drysuits or wetsuits or polyfleece, even -- these guys were at significant risk the second after the canoe flipped. Stuff happens. Especially in the spring. Joq *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Martin, Jack <martin.jack_at_solute.us> wrote: > > Stuff happens. Especially in the spring. > > True, that. It seems that no one can get the word out because this happens every spring. Doesn't help that some papers blame whales, porpoises, etc. It's a tragic loss. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Cue the yearly viewing of Cold Water Bootcamp. http://vimeo.com/4534662 This shows the effect of cold water. Most people do not drown due to hypothermia, but instead they can no longer swim due to the cold water either through shock or muscle failure. Dry suits are good, but life jackets are the first line of defense. Even if you can no longer swim, with a life jacket you will at least still float. On Apr 22, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Martin, Jack wrote: > So, yes, swimmers can survive 45 degree water for 30 minutes without permanent damage -- can attest to this personally -- but the shock of an unplanned swim in that kind of water can also kill anyone -- and just as easily. Without PFDs -- let alone drysuits or wetsuits or polyfleece, even -- these guys were at significant risk the second after the canoe flipped. > > Stuff happens. Especially in the spring. > > Joq Nick Schade Guillemot Kayaks 54 South Rd Groton, CT 06340 USA Ph/Fx: (860) 659-8847 http://www.guillemot-kayaks.com/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Nick Schade wrote: > Cue the yearly viewing of Cold Water Bootcamp. http://vimeo.com/4534662 > This shows the effect of cold water. Most people do not drown due to > hypothermia, but instead they can no longer swim due to the cold water > either through shock or muscle failure. Dry suits are good, but life > jackets are the first line of defense. Even if you can no longer swim, > with a life jacket you will at least still float. We recently sat through the entire CWBC video. Seeing those husky, strong guys (and a couple women) struggle and flail to make a very short swim in 45F water, and then on going ashore, stagger and fall as they tried to walk, did it for everyone in the boating ed class. It will really make a believer of you. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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