Anyone interested can do a Google Search: Border Boats New York (News) One of our fishermen was stopped twice recently. A week ago, we twice in two days saw a tug-sized red and white (northern) patrol boat slowly cruising the NY international line. Sutherland *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
The permit is to fund the inspection process, so I could be inspected at any time. If they try to stop me on the highway we will have words. I expect inspections to be at state lines or at the launches; of boats about to launch. However, I don't know how it actually works in the real world. Pam in Washington State In a message dated 7/11/2011 9:09:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, crjungers_at_gmail.com writes: On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 9:04 AM, <_Pamvetdr_at_aol.com_ (mailto:Pamvetdr_at_aol.com) > wrote: Just a slight correction. I was looking for a place to buy the invasive species permit needed to launch on any of the Idaho waters. No, there was nothing around the Harrison ID end of the lake. I bought one on line this year and had them mail it to me, but have not used it yet (and I'll be da**ed if I am going to permanently affix it to my boat.) Thanks! Pam in Washington State So... let me get this straight... they don't actually INSPECT your kayak but just charge you for a permit? And you're supposed to keep it on your boat regardless of what waters you've been to in the interim? Craig *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> invasive species permit > don't know how it actually works in the real world Idaho's website implies that your un-stickered boat has to be on the water to be 'offending'. It says of the permit: "Stickers are only required on boats that launch in Idaho waters." Is that how it's working in practice at Idaho's highway inspection stops ? In NZ, we've been working under a program for controlling invasive species (didymo or rock-snot) for 5 years. There's no fee involved - but penalties if you spread the invasive species. Kayak users (and users of other small boats) have been pretty supportive. When paddling fresh water, you wash down the boat (and gear) with a dilute solution of bleach - when you move between different lakes. Suggested solution is 5% household disinfectant. Also accepted is having all gear completely dry for 48+ hours. Of course, that's all only relevant for our one species of concern - different geography & threats may need different programs. > suppose it's remotely possible for a kayak with > a rudder to have invasive species attached The idea is that spores & seeds of species can be carried even in the wet felt of the inner-soles of waders used by fly fishermen - so there's lots of scope for transmission in kayak bilge-water, leaky-hatch water & even wet booties/pfds. Our program is treatment of all wet gear - not just boats. Best Regards Paul Hayward, Auckland, New Zealand *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Paul Hayward <pdh_at_mmcl.co.nz> wrote: > > The idea is that spores & seeds of species can be carried even in the wet > felt of the inner-soles of waders used by fly fishermen - so there's lots > of > scope for transmission in kayak bilge-water, leaky-hatch water & even wet > booties/pfds. Our program is treatment of all wet gear - not just boats. > > The cat is already out of the bag for most water plant invasions in our neck of the woods. The lake in front of my house is going to be undergoing a disinfection program this summer in what seems like a continual attack on milfoil. All the previous programs have failed miserably. I'm sure no one thinks that it can be eradicated now; all they hope to do is keep it more-or-less under control. What Idaho is really worried about are the zebra mussels that are moving from one state to another. There was a video a year or so ago showing a trailered outboard boat with these zebra mussels festooned all over it trundling happily into Idaho. The fecal matter hit the rotating air circulation device right after that. All launch ramps around here have signs informing boaters of the problems of invasive species and asking them to clean off any trailing plant material. No mention of using dilute bleach has been made here that I've seen. Your system in NZ is probably the best way to combat the problem but my experience with human nature has caused me to be cynical about all things so I suspect that you'll have enough people who don't bother that the problem won't go away. As far as such a program here goes, putting even a dilute solution of bleach into the hands of some power boaters is a safety hazard unto itself. :P Craig I guess buying a $5 sticker is better than nothing. But if people are driving right past the few inspection posts that exist I can't see how they'll stop anything. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
People who haven't been sleeping for the last twenty years are aware of the potential environmental damage done by zebra mussels, quagga mussels, asian carp, spartina grass, and others. Lake Meade is already under seige by quagga mussels. The battle against spartina grass in Willapa Bay, Wa. has been going on for years. But the image of Chinese Mitten crabs crawling up the Columbia River and eating salmon eggs is a nightmare scenario. Have you checked your bathing suit for invasive species lately? -- Bradford R. Crain Quoting Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>: > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Paul Hayward <pdh_at_mmcl.co.nz> wrote: > >> >> The idea is that spores & seeds of species can be carried even in the wet >> felt of the inner-soles of waders used by fly fishermen - so there's lots >> of >> scope for transmission in kayak bilge-water, leaky-hatch water & even wet >> booties/pfds. Our program is treatment of all wet gear - not just boats. >> >> The cat is already out of the bag for most water plant invasions in our > neck of the woods. The lake in front of my house is going to be undergoing a > disinfection program this summer in what seems like a continual attack on > milfoil. All the previous programs have failed miserably. I'm sure no one > thinks that it can be eradicated now; all they hope to do is keep it > more-or-less under control. What Idaho is really worried about are the > zebra mussels that are moving from one state to another. There was a video > a year or so ago showing a trailered outboard boat with these zebra mussels > festooned all over it trundling happily into Idaho. The fecal matter hit the > rotating air circulation device right after that. > > All launch ramps around here have signs informing boaters of the problems of > invasive species and asking them to clean off any trailing plant material. > No mention of using dilute bleach has been made here that I've seen. Your > system in NZ is probably the best way to combat the problem but my > experience with human nature has caused me to be cynical about all things so > I suspect that you'll have enough people who don't bother that the problem > won't go away. > > As far as such a program here goes, putting even a dilute solution of bleach > into the hands of some power boaters is a safety hazard unto itself. :P > > Craig > > I guess buying a $5 sticker is better than nothing. But if people are > driving right past the few inspection posts that exist I can't see how > they'll stop anything. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Wyoming now requires an AIS (Aquatic Non-Invasive Species) decal for each boat, canoes and kayaks included. Non-motorised craft are required to have the decal affixed to the starboard bow. Resident fee is $5, non-resident is $15. Motorised ceaft fees are higher. Inflatable craft under 10 feet are exempt. A decal and fee is required for each craft. It now costs me $30 annually to make my canoes and kayaks legal for Wyoming waters. The decal does not preclude inspections. Yellowstone inspects watercraft but the Wyoming AIS decal is not required as the state does not have jurisdiction there. I refuse to put these silly stickers on my boats, especially my strip-built. I keep them in a water wallet in my vest for presentation. I'm sure I'll be cited for such behaviour before long but I'm a long time proponent of civil disobedience.... especially when it comes to putting silly stickers on my strip-built boats :) Holmes *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
How does having a decal on your boat stop invasive species? It seems to me that the NZ program of getting cooperation would at least keep people involved. But just putting a decal on and coughing up money just appears to me to be yet-another "solution" devised by politicians to show that they're "doing something". Craig On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Holmes <holmes375_at_yahoo.com> wrote: > Wyoming now requires an AIS (Aquatic Non-Invasive Species) decal for each > boat, > canoes and kayaks included. Non-motorised craft are required to have the > decal > affixed to the starboard bow. Resident fee is $5, non-resident is $15. > Motorised ceaft fees are higher. Inflatable craft under 10 feet are > exempt. A > decal and fee is required for each craft. It now costs me $30 annually to > make > my canoes and kayaks legal for Wyoming waters. The decal does not preclude > inspections. > > Yellowstone inspects watercraft but the Wyoming AIS decal is not required > as the > state does not have jurisdiction there. > > I refuse to put these silly stickers on my boats, especially my > strip-built. I > keep them in a water wallet in my vest for presentation. I'm sure I'll be > cited > for such behaviour before long but I'm a long time proponent of civil > disobedience.... especially when it comes to putting silly stickers on my > strip-built boats :) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I'm losing track of all the permits I need to legally leave my house. -- Bradford R. Crain Quoting Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>: > How does having a decal on your boat stop invasive species? It seems to me > that the NZ program of getting cooperation would at least keep people > involved. But just putting a decal on and coughing up money just appears to > me to be yet-another "solution" devised by politicians to show that they're > "doing something". > > Craig > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Holmes <holmes375_at_yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Wyoming now requires an AIS (Aquatic Non-Invasive Species) decal for each >> boat, >> canoes and kayaks included. Non-motorised craft are required to have the >> decal >> affixed to the starboard bow. Resident fee is $5, non-resident is $15. >> Motorised ceaft fees are higher. Inflatable craft under 10 feet are >> exempt. A >> decal and fee is required for each craft. It now costs me $30 annually to >> make >> my canoes and kayaks legal for Wyoming waters. The decal does not preclude >> inspections. >> >> Yellowstone inspects watercraft but the Wyoming AIS decal is not required >> as the >> state does not have jurisdiction there. >> >> I refuse to put these silly stickers on my boats, especially my >> strip-built. I >> keep them in a water wallet in my vest for presentation. I'm sure I'll be >> cited >> for such behaviour before long but I'm a long time proponent of civil >> disobedience.... especially when it comes to putting silly stickers on my >> strip-built boats :) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
The science to show that forcing people to buy stickers reduces invasive species is non-existent. This issue does require a more effective New Zealand approach of education, cooperation, and facilitation to change boater behavior for any positive impact. Sticker taxes only make people angry and bring in money to fund wasteful and ineffective government action. There is an entire discipline of behavioral science for large populations such as boaters. We're finally practicing that discipline here in Florida to reduce the waste of our aquifer water resource on wasteful lawn sprinkling. Changing the behavior of large populations for a positive impact does require education, positive leadership and yes, regulation; not charging people for stickers and charging visitors more for their stickers. Idaho and other states should do some benchmarking on what's effective and what's not. Sadly, the vast majority of politicians lack any adequate foundation in science to make good decisions about the environment. While some are well-intended, we do need to keep politicians from doing ineffective things contrary to science. What they all understand is votes, i.e. media, and money. So sometimes that's how we need to engage them when they head down a path of missing science like Idaho. I've been working on environmental issues here in Florida and carbon emission reduction projects globally now for years and that's been my experience. That's not cynical; only pragmatic. Always ask for the science. Al Vazquez KayakGuide.com Places to Paddle CloseWaters LLC Energy and Carbon Management On Jul 11, 2011, at 11:29 PM, Craig Jungers wrote: > How does having a decal on your boat stop invasive species? It seems to me > that the NZ program of getting cooperation would at least keep people > involved. But just putting a decal on and coughing up money just appears to > me to be yet-another "solution" devised by politicians to show that they're > "doing something". > > Craig *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>We have been doing this since we landed on this continent. We brought in many plants and animals and often wrecked havoc on the local ecology. Here in South Africa, our water resources have been seriously compromised by alien plants. The main culprits are trees such as wattles and eucalyptus blue gums, the seeds of which were transported to this country from Australia in the horse feed during the Anglo-Boer War of 1899-1902. It's a nice metaphor in a way, but the Australian soldiers eventually went home, leaving water-greedy trees behind. A big blue gum will drink about 200 litres of water a day and in a country that is overrun with eucalyptus, both in managed plantations as well as growing wild, this has been ecologically devastating. An ongoing NGO programme called Working For Water has been trying to rid the country of invader plants, with some success, but one battle that will never end is the fight against water hyacinth on our various dams and reservoirs. The problem is so bad that it is impossible to get permission to operate seaplanes or flying boats from freshwater dams and lakes, and all boats transported between different dams are supposed to be cleaned with chemicals between uses. Funny thing is, water fowl don't seem to be subject to the same rules. Ah, humans ... This message may contain information which is confidential, private or privileged in nature and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not peruse, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or file which is attached to this message. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, facsimile or telephone and thereafter return and/or destroy the original message. The sender cannot assure that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that it is free of errors, viruses, interception or interference. The sender accepts no liability of whatever nature for any loss, liability, damage or expense resulting directly or indirectly from the access of any files which are attached to this message. For a detailed disclaimer please visithttp://www.avusa.co.za/AvusaEmailDisclaimer.pdf> *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Paul wrote: >but one battle that will never end is the fight against water hyacinth on our various dams and reservoirs. G'day Paul, About 11 years ago there were reports of success in clearing water hyacinth from: the Sepik river in Papua New Guinea and from Lake Victoria in Kenya and Uganda using biological control in the form of weevils that ate the plant (Neochetina eichhorniae). I wondered if this approach is standing the test of time, whether it brings its own problems in a South African context and whether it is considered useful in South Africa? All the best, PeterO *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
This is truly a world-wide problem. I had not realized. Turns out that Americans weren't the only stupid ones. I guess all this importation of things seemed like a good idea at the time. I'm a little surprised that gum trees create such a problem. They are all over SoCal and even into NoCal and until I was 16 or 17 I thought they were endemic species. I did not know they drank so much water... there isn't that much water where many of them live so apparently they take up whatever they can get. I'm still pretty worried about cobras, actually. Craig *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Craig wrote: >I'm a little surprised that gum trees create such a problem. They are all over SoCal G'day Craig, One man's meat is another's poison! When gum trees are removed from Australian land the water table can rise and bring salt with it making the land infertile. So one of the many balances to consider is the relative merit of removing trees to conserve water and create pastoral or crop lands or planting them to prevent soil erosion and salinity, as well as providing habitat for local wild life. A major problem with gum trees is their susceptibility to fire, which is a natural part of the Australian ecosystem, but can be disastrous in California and in populated areas of Australia. I live opposite a national park and every seven years or so we have to evacuate the house for a night or two as a major bush fire passes through with flames as high again as the trees themselves! But I wouldn't want to live away from the bush, the scent of the eucalypt oil that makes them so fire prone is wonderful to experience on a summer afternoon. And Lane Cove river runs through this bush to the harbour, making an excellent put in! So fire breaks rule down here! - Note the cunning reference to kayaking:~) All the best, PeterO *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 12:22 AM, PeterO <rebyl_kayak_at_energysustained.com>wrote: > > One man's meat is another's poison! > > When gum trees are removed from Australian land the water table can rise > and > bring salt with it making the land infertile. So one of the many balances > to > consider is the relative merit of removing trees to conserve water and > create pastoral or crop lands or planting them to prevent soil erosion and > salinity, as well as providing habitat for local wild life. > That's an interesting point, Peter. I hadn't thought about a rising water table and salinity resulting from the removal of thirsty trees; but it does make sense. One of the things I love when I travel to Southern California is the smell of eucalyptus oil from the trees. It's a lovely smell. I wish we had them here. But their explosive nature when set afire is scary stuff!!! Craig *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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