Because I live in Florida, I have never needed a dry top, but I am curious: Do you place your sprayskirt (neoprene) under or over your top? The whitewater kayaking I have done has been at NOC during the summer, and I never needed much insulation. Using the neoprene skirt, I would think that having the neoprene against your body would provide a much better seal and thus reduce the amount of water getting in your boat. If that's the case, then how do dry tops seal against the sprayskirt? Dave Miner david.miner_at_gsbsc.gnesig.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
David.Miner_at_gsbsc.gensig.com wrote: > > Because I live in Florida, I have never needed a dry top, but I am curious: Do > you place your sprayskirt (neoprene) under or over your top? Yes. Most drytops have a double skirt. You put the top on, put the sprayskirt tunnel over the inner skirt, then put the outer skirt over the sprayskirt tunnel. Steve (not trying to skirt the issue) -- Test Scoring & Reporting Services Sometimes, you never can University of Georgia always tell what you Athens, GA 30602-5593 least expect the most. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
David.Miner_at_gsbsc.gensig.com wrote: > Because I live in Florida, I have never needed a dry top, but I am > curious: Do > you place your sprayskirt (neoprene) under or over your top? ... Both my dry top (a Kokatat Goretex Whirlpool) and my semi-dry top (an old Mocean) has a double tunnel design into which the skirt fits. The resulting layering is as follows: outer drytop tunnel--sprayskirt--inner drytop tunnel--clothes (poss. including a wetsuit or fuzzy rubber). This makes for a very dry seal, even when you are upside down (or bottomside up). The water has to find its way past quite a few seals to get into the cockpit. While I now use a skirt with a neoprene tunnel, this also works with a nylon tunnel--you remove the shoulder straps and wrap the nylon tunnel and inner drytop tunnel together, as with a roll-top drybag. Dan Hagen *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
>..., but I am curious: Do >you place your sprayskirt (neoprene) under or over your top? Usually the neoprene goes over the drytop. >. If that's the case, then how do dry tops seal >against the sprayskirt? Goes the other way around -- the sprayskirt seals to the drytop. Many if not most such garments have a "tunnel" arrangement; the skirt goes onto the drytop, then a flap of the drytop goes over the skirt to shed water. Usually works well. Was at the Museum of the American Indian in NYC the other day ... There was an Inuit Parka that was also the sprayskirt; it just splayed out around the bottom like a hoopskirt. I'd hate to make a wet exit with that combination. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
What you saw at the museum (if I am assuming correctly) is a long tuilik that will actually let you exit the boat with- out getting wet. There are couple of variants on the tuilik. What it sounds like you saw was a long version that when standing outside the boat looks somewhat like a dress. The advantage of the long version is that you can actually come out of your boat and get your head above water with out breaking the seal between the skirt/tuilik and the boat. Then you can re-enter and roll (or re-enter with help from another boat) without having to reattach your skirt and empty the boat. Mark Austin, TX At 02:53 PM 2/25/99 -0500, Joe Pylka wrote: > > >>..., but I am curious: Do >>you place your sprayskirt (neoprene) under or over your top? > Usually the neoprene goes over the drytop. > >>. If that's the case, then how do dry tops seal >>against the sprayskirt? > Goes the other way around -- the sprayskirt seals to the drytop. >Many if not most such garments have a "tunnel" arrangement; the skirt goes >onto the drytop, then a flap of the drytop goes over the skirt to shed >water. Usually works well. > > Was at the Museum of the American Indian in NYC the other day ... >There was an Inuit Parka that was also the sprayskirt; it just splayed out >around the bottom like a hoopskirt. I'd hate to make a wet exit with that >combination. > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >*************************************************************************** > > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
>What you saw at the museum (if I am assuming correctly) is >a long tuilik that will actually let you exit the boat with- >out getting wet. >There are couple of variants on the tuilik. What it sounds >like you saw was a long version that when standing outside >the boat looks somewhat like a dress. The accompanying photo showed the paddler seated in a kayak with the parka bottom sealed around the coaming. It didn't look long enough for him to exit the boat and stay sealed (or to stand up, either) WRT another post; I vaguely recollect that it was in fact laced on... >The advantage of the long version is that you can actually >come out of your boat and get your head above water with >out breaking the seal between the skirt/tuilik and the boat. >Then you can re-enter and roll (or re-enter with help >from another boat) without having to reattach your skirt >and empty the boat. > Mark *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
The Palm storm cagoule works the same way. You try NOT to make a wet exit. On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 14:53:51 -0500 "Joe Pylka" <pylka_at_castle.net> writes: > > >>..., but I am curious: Do >>you place your sprayskirt (neoprene) under or over your top? > Usually the neoprene goes over the drytop. > >>. If that's the case, then how do dry tops seal >>against the sprayskirt? > Goes the other way around -- the sprayskirt seals to the >drytop. >Many if not most such garments have a "tunnel" arrangement; the skirt >goes >onto the drytop, then a flap of the drytop goes over the skirt to shed >water. Usually works well. > > Was at the Museum of the American Indian in NYC the other day >... >There was an Inuit Parka that was also the sprayskirt; it just splayed >out >around the bottom like a hoopskirt. I'd hate to make a wet exit with >that >combination. > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >*************************************************************************** > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
As I understand it, with that one the parka was laced to the cockpit rim. There was NO wet exit. You rolled up, did an asisted rescue or died. I don't think getting water into the kayak was much of a problem. :-) michael pylka_at_castle.net wrote: > Was at the Museum of the American Indian in NYC the other day ... > There was an Inuit Parka that was also the sprayskirt; it just splayed out > around the bottom like a hoopskirt. I'd hate to make a wet exit with that > combination. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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