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From: Anne Burton <aburton1_at_maine.rr.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Water in booties
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 07:26:51 -0500
The problem:

water inside neoprene booties.  Booties are not skin tight on 
the foot but are that tight on the ankle.  It's not tons of water - 
maybe a few ounces - and it's warmed by body heat - but it 
sloshes like heck when you get out on land.

I have an off the rack wetsuit designed for people taller than me 
(5' 2").  Consequently, there is excess length at the ankles.  I 
wear booties, zip them up as far as they will go which is one 
link short of the top of the zipper, and put the wetsuit legs over 
the bootie tops, then fold up the excess fabric.  So basically 
there are three layers of neoprene around my ankles.  

The question:

Am I getting a lot of water in there because the boots 
themselves are not skin tight, or because the wetsuit is ill fitting 
at the ankles and has to be rolled up.  Or does everyone get a 
few ounces of water in the booties all the time?  I guess this is 
the age old question:  am I not doing it right, or is it a fact of 
life?

Thanks

Anne Burton
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From: Joe Pylka <pylka_at_castle.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Water in booties
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:11:10 -0400
    Well, wetsuit systems DO get wet; that's why they're called that.
Getting my feet wet is a way of life, and I've learned to keep fresh socks,
etc. in a drybag if things get too cold.
    Most likely the water's coming in through the bootie zippers.  Not much
you can do about that.  I wear a pair of waterproof goretex socks I got from
Cabela's, with poly socks and liners under that.  Works OK as long as you
don't get in the water more than ankle deep.  Some people here swear by
DuPont Sealz Socks.
    To me, wetsuit integrity is of more importance.  I always put the bootie
over the wetsuit ankle rather than the other way around.  It's the sock that
will overlap the ankle portion.


>I have an off the rack wetsuit designed for people taller than me
>(5' 2").  Consequently, there is excess length at the ankles.  I
>wear booties, zip them up as far as they will go which is one
>link short of the top of the zipper, and put the wetsuit legs over
>the bootie tops, then fold up the excess fabric.  So basically
>there are three layers of neoprene around my ankles.
>Am I getting a lot of water in there because the boots
>themselves are not skin tight, or because the wetsuit is ill fitting
>at the ankles and has to be rolled up.  Or does everyone get a
>few ounces of water in the booties all the time?  I guess this is
>the age old question:  am I not doing it right, or is it a fact of
>life?


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From: Joan Spinner <JSpinner_at_agu.org>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Water in booties
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:41:59 -0400
<<Am I getting a lot of water in there because the boots
themselves are not skin tight, or because the wetsuit is ill fitting
at the ankles and has to be rolled up.  Or does everyone get a
few ounces of water in the booties all the time?  I guess this is
the age old question:  am I not doing it right, or is it a fact of
life?>>

I wear socks so that usually takes up all the excess space and keeps the
squishing on land down but I watch my paddling partner empty his boots before
he drives away after a paddle. I have the too-long-leg problem too but I do zip

the boots all the way up and they fit rather well. I am not constructed for the

"unisex"  wetsuit  I wear. I'd need to be about 6'6" to fit this one in the
legs. This leaves a lot of bunching at the knees and other places but I try to
pull the legs up so the ankle is not bunched when I zip the ankle. It can do
what it likes after I zip it as long as I can move freely. Do you try socks?
That might work if you don't mind wet socks.

Joan Spinner


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From: Robert Woodard <woodardr_at_tidalwave.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Water in booties
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:30:03 -0400
>> I wear socks so that usually takes up all the excess space and keeps the
> squishing on land down but I watch my paddling partner empty his
> boots before he drives away after a paddle.

Ummm, that would be me. I used to just squish all the way home but my wife
gets a little torked when I come sloshing into the house. It creates a
pretty nasty stew after you've squished that water around for a while, so I
try to remember to dump them out before I leave for the house. I get a lot
of looks as most people passing by must think my feet are freezing when I
dump the water.

For those with ultra long farmer johns, is it possible to just pull the
slack down towards the feet and just double the pants cuff back towards the
knee? If it is too tight to zip that way a Velcro  band (a loose one) might
work to keep it from dangling. To be real effective I think a wet suit needs
to hug the body, so I would be concerned with the insulating value of
something too baggy. Anyone know a seamstress that knows how to tailor a
wetsuit?

Woody


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From: Dave Kruger <dkruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Wet Suit Alterations
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:37:53 -0700
Robert Woodard wrote:

> To be real effective I think a wet suit needs
> to hug the body, so I would be concerned with the insulating value of
> something too baggy. Anyone know a seamstress that knows how to tailor a
> wetsuit?

Don't know if she is up to tailoring, but she did a nice job of
retrofitting a relief zipper into a wetsuit:  Penny Schwyn
<pschwyn_at_nextdim.com>

I don't get a commission!  <g>
-- 
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR


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From: <BijiliE_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Water in booties
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:57:07 EDT
In a message dated 4/12/99 9:21:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, JSpinner_at_agu.org 
writes:

<< I am not constructed for the "unisex" wetsuit I wear. I'd need to be about 
6'6" to fit this one in the legs. This leaves a lot of bunching at the knees 
and other places but I try to pull the legs up so the ankle is not bunched 
when I zip the ankle. >>

I have that problem too. I'm wondering if anyone has tried cutting off the 
legs so that their wetsuit would fit better. Any feedback would be helpful.

BijiliE
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From: Steve Cramer <cramer_at_coe.uga.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Water in booties
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:54:41 -0400
BijiliE_at_aol.com wrote:
> 
> I'm wondering if anyone has tried cutting off the
> legs so that their wetsuit would fit better. 

Talk about a Procrustacean solution. Oh, you meant the legs of the
wetsuit. Sure, why not? Neoprene doesn't ravel (or unravel, either). You
might end up cutting off the ankle zipper altogether. If not, take a
soldering iron and fuse the two bottom teeth on each side to shorten it.

Steve
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From: Michael Neverdosky <MichaelN_at_cycat.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Water in booties
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:07:17 +0000
Cutting off my legs helped a lot until I tried to walk to the launch
point.

OTOH Seal launches are much more natural now. :-))

<Humor Alert>

This post is entirely ficticious, I still have all of my appendages.

michael

bijilie_at_aol.com wrote:

> I have that problem too. I'm wondering if anyone has tried cutting off the
> legs so that their wetsuit would fit better. Any feedback would be helpful.
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From: Richard Culpeper <culpeper_at_geocities.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Water in booties
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:29:54 -0400
----------
> From: BijiliE_at_aol.com
> I have that problem too. I'm wondering if anyone has tried cutting off
the 
> legs so that their wetsuit would fit better. Any feedback would be
helpful.
>

One of my kayaking students only had one leg, but I don't think that this
was a result of his wanting to better fit his wetsuit.

Cheers,
Richard
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