While we're talkn' bugs, I've got a question about deet on fleece and other clothing. I know deet can melt plastic, but has anyone had any problems with fleece, fuzzy rubber, or other camping clothing with deet on it? I'm also thinking about getting some sun clothing and if anyone has opinions about bug stuff on that, it would be greatly appreciated. Does Permethrin (sp) hurt any type of clothing in your experience? I don't think I'll put deet on my fuzzy rubber, but the rest of it I'd rather spray my clothes than my skin. I'll also be wearing those oh-so-fashionable flea-n-tick collars for humans.... anything to avoid ticks, skeeters, and the like. :) Thanks! Julie :) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I haven't had any problem with deet on fleece. I have had no problem with any fabric including nylon and prymethrin spray. It does seem to protect against ticks. I haven't made up my mind if it helps with flies, etc. I have been told to avoid prolonged skin contact with flea collars. Put them over your socks but not directly on the skin. In heavy tick areas I have seen cattle ear tags used. Lace them into your boots. Users swear by them. -----Original Message----- From: Julie Grindol <grindolj_at_lhl.lib.mo.us> To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net> Date: Monday, April 12, 1999 8:00 AM Subject: [Paddlewise] deet on camp clothes >While we're talkn' bugs, I've got a question about deet on fleece and other >clothing. I know deet can melt plastic, but has anyone had any problems >with fleece, fuzzy rubber, or other camping clothing with deet on it? I'm >also thinking about getting some sun clothing and if anyone has opinions >about bug stuff on that, it would be greatly appreciated. Does Permethrin >(sp) hurt any type of clothing in your experience? >I don't think I'll put deet on my fuzzy rubber, but the rest of it I'd >rather spray my clothes than my skin. >I'll also be wearing those oh-so-fashionable flea-n-tick collars for >humans.... anything to avoid ticks, skeeters, and the like. :) > >Thanks! >Julie :) >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >*************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I can only assume that many of you were glued to your TV last night watching the Ecco-Challenge Morocco "HOW NOT TO sea kayak" race on the Discovery Channel. Although I have many observations about what I saw, the most stunning is that I saw no one properly dressed for 62 degree water. I was watching so many paddlers chatter and suffer from hypothermia that I had to build a fire in my wood stove to keep from getting hypothermia at home. I also found myself hollering "brace you fools" every time a boat went over in the surf. Did anyone else watch it and what were your thoughts? Hal Wilton, NH Power your boat with carbohydrates, not hydrocarbons. http://www.jlc.net/~hlevin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Yes, I watched it. In fact I was on the phone to Ralph at one point and I kept saying "Kayak in the surf; Oh! They're broaching; Oh! They're over; Oh! They're out! Ralph, let me apologize now for seeming somewhat distracted. That was some surf too. None for me, thank you. I was wondering about the clothing. Everyone who came in had the same set-up; PFD underneath the Eco Challenge t-shirt. I wonder if the event limited anyone from putting anything over their numbered t-shirt. I started to get pissed off. I know the med tent was quite busy trying to rewarm, but some people were totally ignored, shaking so bad they could barely move; looking dazed and stunned; in total shock. I was really yelling at the TV then. I also saw activities being performed in the Med Tent that I have always been told not to do, like vigorously rubbing the arms and legs; not putting hats on the victims, etc. Makes me wonder. I'm no doctor, but . . . Debs > ---------- > From: Hal Levine[SMTP:hlevin_at_jlc.net] > Reply To: hlevin_at_jlc.net > Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 2:28 PM > To: Whiterabbit > Cc: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subject: [Paddlewise] Ecco-Challenge Morroco > > I can only assume that many of you were glued to your TV last night > watching the > Ecco-Challenge Morocco "HOW NOT TO sea kayak" race on the Discovery > Channel. > Although I have many observations about what I saw, the most stunning is > that I > saw no one properly dressed for 62 degree water. I was watching so many > paddlers chatter and suffer from hypothermia that I had to build a fire in > my > wood stove to keep from getting hypothermia at home. > I also found myself hollering "brace you fools" every time a boat went > over in > the surf. > Did anyone else watch it and what were your thoughts? > > Hal > Wilton, NH > > Power your boat with carbohydrates, > not hydrocarbons. > http://www.jlc.net/~hlevin > > > ************************************************************************** > * > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > ************************************************************************** > * > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I found it interesting that the Urban Edge team from New York had overpacked but didn't seem to have any more appropriate cold water gear than any of the others. And then they are the first team out because of the hypothermia of a team member. Duh. I guess since the Aussie team had to kayakers on it, it's no wonder that they were leading that leg. And I thought it was the color on my TV but I guess that Australian's woman's lips really were that blue. And I loved the close up of her getting stitches. You never did see any bracing. These folks just rolled over like chickens on a spit. But I guess my big complaint was that the competition seemed kinda pointless. If the intent was to see just how close you could come to either drowning yourself or someone else, they almost made it. What was gained by the little hike along the coast, being pounded on the rocks by heavy surf? Or all the hours in 62 degree water? And then the hike in the desert? This whole thing seems so contrived. It was like sitting there watching a competition for one of the "Darwin" awards. Natural selection at it's best. And they're on again tonight. I'll be glued to the set. Larry Mills Department of Redundancy Department *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Larry Mills wrote: > > I found it interesting that the Urban Edge team from New York had > overpacked but didn't seem to have any more appropriate cold water > gear than any of the others. And then they are the first team out > because of the hypothermia of a team member. Duh. As Debbie Reeves mentioned, she was on the phone with me on another matter when she started exclaming about the kayaks getting bashed in surf. I was watching Hornblower but later switched to catch later parts of the kayaking portion of the race. A couple of things: --as mentioned, they didn't seem to be dressed for anywhere near the water temperatures except for running tights and the like that aren't real helpful. I kept thinking on how just a shortie farmer john neoprene suit or even one made of the thermal stretch Polartec meant for watersports would have helped some of them. The latter is so light it could have done double duty for some of the cold water hiking they were doing. --they were real tired. It didn't surprise me in the slightest that a lot weren't bracing and getting flipped in the surf. Probably a combination of not a lot of kayaking experience plus being totally zonked physically and mentally. --why were they expending so much energy using hiking poles on very flat, smooth portions of the hiking? Poles are fine for up and downhill portions over rough terrain but a waste of effort in general hiking portions. And even at that, one pole would seem to do. I have a friend who uses two poles...but she is over 60 years old and has a history of falling...one broken hip, two broken elbows...so she uses the poles on anything but city hiking. --there seemed to be an awful lot of bickering. Some of the crews struck me as people I would never want to be with in any location or activity. The Mexican one was particularly wierd with the three guys who only spoke Spanish and the American (?) member who they picked up because their female had dropped out. The female replacement was constantly second guessing their judgment and decisions. The guys were doing the same in Spanish about her, a bit stronger than the translation. Some of the teams seem to have that same backbiting you read in mountaineering journals such as Everest climbing groups. Not at all like the congenial, supportive, never second guess each other environment we see in kayaking as demonstrated on this listserver. Now if I can only remove this sponson from my mouth... ralph -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 4/12/99 11:48:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, hlevin_at_jlc.net writes: << Did anyone else watch it and what were your thoughts? >> I saw zero torso rotation in the entire episode. It was pretty entertaining though. Robin Lovelock <A HREF="http://home.att.net/~kayakbound/hb1.htm">O'Tynan's Coastline/Home-builts </A> (thanks again Jim) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Maybe they needed a little practice paddle in San Francisco Bay :) "Kayak leg coordinator Captain Buddy Bohn commented on the day's conditions, " Today was an extremely challenging rescue environment with winds gusting up to 45 knots, seas in excess of four meters, poor visibility, cold water and breaking waves to the horizon. I've been a lifeguard for 31 years and this is as extreme and on the edge as any of our lifeguards have encountered."" (From the Day 2 Press Release) http://www.ecochallenge.com/press/pressDay2.html Ted Whitney Campbell, CA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 4/12/99 2:05:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, millsl_at_purchase.edu writes: << You never did see any bracing. These folks just rolled over like chickens on a spit. >> Larry, you folks from SUNY sure know how to turn a phrase. Thanks for a good belly laugh. Harold *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Flea and tick collars for humans? That's a new one on me -- can you tell us a little more about them? On Mon, 12 Apr 1999 07:36:18 -0500 Julie Grindol <grindolj_at_lhl.lib.mo.us> writes: >While we're talkn' bugs, I've got a question about deet on fleece and >other >clothing. I know deet can melt plastic, but has anyone had any >problems >with fleece, fuzzy rubber, or other camping clothing with deet on it? >I'm >also thinking about getting some sun clothing and if anyone has >opinions >about bug stuff on that, it would be greatly appreciated. Does >Permethrin >(sp) hurt any type of clothing in your experience? >I don't think I'll put deet on my fuzzy rubber, but the rest of it I'd >rather spray my clothes than my skin. >I'll also be wearing those oh-so-fashionable flea-n-tick collars for >humans.... anything to avoid ticks, skeeters, and the like. :) > >Thanks! >Julie :) >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >*************************************************************************** > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
The collars or "tick bands" (can't call them collars on humans :)), have about 6-10% deet on the outside of the band so the DEET doesn't come into direct contact with your skin. They should last about 120 hours (keep in ziplock when not using), and they are supposed to have a "fresh sent" (it's what they claim, I haven't opened the packages yet to see if it's true or not). They are about $3 each. One is supposed to work for a person, but I think I'll just make a fashon statement and wear several on ankles and wrists while in the BWCA. :) This is my first season trying these things, so I can't say if they really work or not, but they do have DEET, and DEET is a proven tick/misquito repelant. Julie At 09:26 PM 4/12/99 -0400, you wrote: >Flea and tick collars for humans? That's a new one on me -- can you tell >us a little more about them? > > >On Mon, 12 Apr 1999 07:36:18 -0500 Julie Grindol <grindolj_at_lhl.lib.mo.us> >writes: >>While we're talkn' bugs, I've got a question about deet on fleece and >>other >>clothing. I know deet can melt plastic, but has anyone had any >>problems >>with fleece, fuzzy rubber, or other camping clothing with deet on it? >>I'm >>also thinking about getting some sun clothing and if anyone has >>opinions >>about bug stuff on that, it would be greatly appreciated. Does >>Permethrin >>(sp) hurt any type of clothing in your experience? >>I don't think I'll put deet on my fuzzy rubber, but the rest of it I'd >>rather spray my clothes than my skin. >>I'll also be wearing those oh-so-fashionable flea-n-tick collars for >>humans.... anything to avoid ticks, skeeters, and the like. :) >> >>Thanks! >>Julie :) >>*************************************************************************** >>PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >>Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >>Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >>Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >>*************************************************************************** >> > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I'll just add that tick collars are considered useless by my veterinarian, as I learned after finding several juicy ticks hanging on my dog's neck, UNDER the tick collar. One thing that comes to mind is you're planning to wear these things on your ankles but ticks crawl up the branches of the underbrush, as I understand it, and make contact from some level above the ground... maybe wearing them at the knees or waist would be more effective. Karen > > The collars or "tick bands" (can't call them collars on humans :)), have > about 6-10% deet on the outside of the band so the DEET doesn't come into > direct contact with your skin. They should last about 120 hours (keep in > ziplock when not using), and they are supposed to have a "fresh sent" (it's > what they claim, I haven't opened the packages yet to see if it's true or > not). They are about $3 each. One is supposed to work for a person, but I > think I'll just make a fashon statement and wear several on ankles and > wrists while in the BWCA. :) > This is my first season trying these things, so I can't say if they really > work or not, but they do have DEET, and DEET is a proven tick/misquito > repelant. > > -- Karen Hancock San Clemente, CA magpi_at_access1.net 949/487-2602 *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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