Having found I could not fit more than half of my VIS (very important stuff) inside my Greenland II (including some big stuff between each paddlers' knees), I need to add D-rings to the deck. Is there a source of nice glue-on D-rings -- preferably with a black semi-circular base -- that I could affix to my hull at the hull-deck joint? Folbot has none and says that it is impractical for the factory to sew on new ones. Also, I posted to the Folbot BBS with no success. I have also belatedly figured out that a substantial amount of small stuff can be bunged-in under the side decks, if loops and lines are first run along the middle longeron. Probably 30% of the boat's capacity is there. Ken Cooperstein *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Having found I could not fit more than half of my VIS (very important stuff) inside my Greenland II (including some big stuff between each paddlers' knees), I need to add D-rings to the deck. Is there a source of nice glue-on D-rings -- preferably with a black semi-circular base -- --------- Any of the ww kayak, canoe & rafting sites such as NOC, NRS, Cascade, etc. carry D-rings of varying sizes. There are a bunch of links at http://csisler.com/Kayaks/Links/Commercial/OnlineStores.htm and still more at http://csisler.com/Kayaks/Links/Commercial/Accessories.htm *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Kenneth Cooperstein wrote: > > Having found I could not fit more than half of my VIS (very important > stuff) inside my Greenland II (including some big stuff between each > paddlers' knees), I need to add D-rings to the deck. Is there a source > of nice glue-on D-rings -- preferably with a black semi-circular base -- > that I could affix to my hull at the hull-deck joint? Folbot has none > and says that it is impractical for the factory to sew on new ones. > Also, I posted to the Folbot BBS with no success. I would hesitate to sew any D-rings to the deck. The hypalon hull is the best place for them as I indicated in my book with a recommendation about these patches. The hypalon patch using contact cement becomes part of the hull just like an inner tube repair patch. Among other sources is NRS (http://www.nrs.com 1-800-635-5202) which sells one at $7.50 (3 inch patch with 1 inch D ring). These are more than sufficient for life lines and such and can even support webbing handles at the bow and stern for lifting your boat. > > I have also belatedly figured out that a substantial amount of small > stuff can be bunged-in under the side decks, if loops and lines are > first run along the middle longeron. Probably 30% of the boat's capacity > is there. Again, that is kosher advice right from my book. I recommend you read it, :-). The cockpit area of most folding kayaks offers lots of room for gear and longerons and gunwales for attaching this gear too. The nice thing about packing stuff in the cockpit area is that it is neutral in terms of trim as it is the center of the boat. Anything you put there will not affect performance whether hit by sidewinds or rear quartering forces. ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com wrote: > Among other > sources is NRS (http://www.nrs.com 1-800-635-5202) which sells one at > $7.50 (3 inch patch with 1 inch D ring). My russian is not so good. Could the URL for NRS be something different from what you posted? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Rene Milo wrote: > > rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com wrote: > > Among other > > sources is NRS (http://www.nrs.com 1-800-635-5202) which sells one at > > $7.50 (3 inch patch with 1 inch D ring). > > My russian is not so good. Could the URL for NRS be something different > from what you posted? Sorry, it's http://www.nrsweb.com > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > *************************************************************************** -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Ralph, I bought and read your book; Am I also expected to remember it? Although the person they have at Folbot answering emails didn't know about adding DIY D-rings , one of the savvy BBS users pointed out that you can buy the stock Folbot polycarbonate D-rings and hypalon bases from Folbot -- for stitching on. These cost $8 per pair and I intend to glue them on with Aquaseal, without stitching (because it is unwise punch holes into your sponsons). Because the price is right, I'll use a few more to spread the load. Ken Cooperstein *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Ken - RE: attaching gear to deck - Are you absolutely sure you can't secure your stuff to the deck using temporary bungies hooked into the corners of your deck bungies?? Even those el cheapo bungies sold in K-Mart or auto supply stores do a good job of that, and you don't have to mess up your deck permanently. If you insist on adding rings to the deck - NOC sells several types of glue-on D rings, in various sizes. So does GRO - and probably a half dozen other kayak outfitters. You can also get D rings from West Marine. Those aren't glue-ons, but you can easily grease 'em up and make some nice glass loops on your deck for them. an even better way of fixing non'glue-ons to a deck might be to drill the deck, secure a bolster underneath it, and bolt a shot loop of webbing to the deck (with the D ring within the loop). To me, that's less intrusive to your boat than glassing or gluing things onto the deck. - Bill Hansen *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Adding D-rings is best done not to the deck of a folder but as Ralph stresses, on the hypalon hull. I've had best success by contacting Mark Eckart at the Klepper Service Center. Mark supplies a kit of his own nicely made and properly sized D-ring hypalon patches, the appropriate adhesive ( a crucial consideration) and even sandpaper. His patches are available in gray or black and when correctly applied will hold tremendous loads. It is best to attach only the lightest of loads directly to fasteners sewn on decks. Happy paddling, Rich Mitchell *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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