Hello everyone, My wife and I are looking to add kayak touring to our long list of athletic endeavors. For now we are looking for boats that come in just under $1,200 each. We'll use them for a couple of years and then move into more advanced kayaks. My wife likes the Perception Carolina Exp. and I am trying to decide between several but I seem to keep coming back to the Necky Looksha Sport Exp. We can't test the boats out because touring demos and rentals aren't the thing here in Northern Utah. Anyway, I'm looking for other folks opinions on these boats as well as who we should and should not order from. My wife and I are both on the light side, 115 lbs (5' 7") and 155 lbs (5' 11") respectively and we plan on sticking to large lakes and reservoirs to begin with before moving on to some of the calmer river stretches. Two or three day trips will be the norm and I'd like boats that have a good balance between speed and maneuverability. Thanks in advance, Ron and Nancy *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
miles to go wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > My wife and I are looking to add kayak touring to our long list of athletic > endeavors. For now we are looking for boats that come in just under $1,200 > each. We'll use them for a couple of years and then move into more advanced > kayaks. Won't matter much what you get if you plan to move up in a couple years. In new, the Acadia is a good choice. Used will get you more boat for the money (or, as much boat for less money!). Plastic is heavier -- a consideration for your spouse. At 115, bet she can not lift a 60 lb plastic yak onto your car's roof rack. At 230 and beefy, I can do that no problem. Whatever you select, look for a good fit in the cockpit -- you are both relatively slight, and you will likely slop around in the cockpit. Outfitting with closed cell foam can cure that, but it is a bit of a hassle. You'd like to have a snug fit side-to-side at the hips and padding under the deck where your thighs/knees lock in so you can rock the boat side to side using torso rotation. If there is a retail outlet nearby, some sitting in cockpits will help a lot. Have fun making your choice, and let us know how it turns out. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
For your build and intended use, I think that you should seriously consider the Current Designs Squall. My wife and I are of similar build to you and your wife and paddle fresh water exclusively, We both tried a number of boats before we chose the Squall. I even preferred it to the somewhat larger fibreglass version, the Solstice GTS HV. We have done a number of day trips and a wilderness trip for a week and have been extremely happy with our choices. After using my Squall for a year, I tried the GTS again and still find my boat more maneuverable and easier to roll. I am now hoping that they will make a fibreglass version of the Squall since I want to move up to fibreglass but don't want to move to a larger boat. Harold Kroeker Winnipeg, MB Canada At 05:37 PM 5/3/99 -0600, you wrote: >Hello everyone, > >My wife and I are looking to add kayak touring to our long list of athletic >endeavors. For now we are looking for boats that come in just under $1,200 >each. We'll use them for a couple of years and then move into more advanced >kayaks. >My wife likes the Perception Carolina Exp. and I am trying to decide >between several but I seem to keep coming back to the Necky Looksha Sport >Exp. >We can't test the boats out because touring demos and rentals aren't the >thing here in Northern Utah. >Anyway, I'm looking for other folks opinions on these boats as well as who >we should and should not order from. >My wife and I are both on the light side, 115 lbs (5' 7") and 155 lbs (5' >11") respectively and we plan on sticking to large lakes and reservoirs to >begin with before moving on to some of the calmer river stretches. Two or >three day trips will be the norm and I'd like boats that have a good >balance between speed and maneuverability. > >Thanks in advance, > >Ron and Nancy > > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
<snip some stuff> |My wife and I are looking to add kayak touring to our long list of athletic |endeavors. For now we are looking for boats that come in just under $1,200 |each. We'll use them for a couple of years and then move into more advanced |kayaks. |My wife likes the Perception Carolina Exp. and I am trying to decide |between several but I seem to keep coming back to the Necky Looksha Sport |Exp. <snip some more> |Ron and Nancy I'm going to make an assumption that that Necky Looksha Sport Exp is the plastic version of the Loosksha Sport IVs. I have a Looksha IV and my wife has the IVs. Both are kevlar layups. When we started looking into sea kayaks we started with plastic but after much hmmming and hawing we slowing escalated to kevlar. One reason was the limited lifetime on the plastic boats. I have taken out rental plastic boats that suffered greatly from oil caning. They all suffered from one degree or another. I just could not stand the thought of that happening to my boat. It seemed to me that I was going to spend $2400 on two boats and within a very short number of years I would be looking for a new boat. That was to expensive for me. Hopefully others will comment on my impressions of plastic boats. Another was weight. I'm 6 feet tall and 185 pounds. I keep in shape. I have moved, by hand, 25 tons of dirt and rock into my yard for landscaping. Weak mind, strong back, don't ya know! I dont want a heavy boat. 8-) PITA. I can get my kayak up on my truck, solo, without a problem. Add another 20% or so and it gets more uncomfortable. Especially when the wind picks up. Remember that the kayaks are long and ungainly. Every bit of weight hurts when loading and unloading. If you will always be paddling with your wife it may not be an issue. If you or her will be soloing you may want to take that into consideration. The height of the vehicle(s) that will transport the yaks also should be considered. There is a great difference in loading the yaks on our beat up "short" Volvo station wagon as compared with my full size, "tall" 4x4 pick' em up truck. Of course money is a concern as well but only you can make that decsion. We love our Looksha's. I paddled quite a few other kayaks before settling on the Looksha. After a couple of months with the Looksha IV, I paddled other boats I had initially considered. I made the right choice. Even with the extra money for the kevlar. But you really should try to find a symposium or a demo day somewhere to try out the boats. The paddling stores in my area, central NC, start having demo days in the early summer. I ended up with a boat I had not initially considered. We ended up traveling 5 hours and staying overnight for a symposium to try out different boats. Best investment we made. Hope this rambling helps.... Dan McCarty *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
dmccarty_at_us.ibm.com wrote: > > I have a Looksha IV and my wife has the IVs. Both are kevlar layups. When we > started looking into sea kayaks we started with plastic but after much hmmming > and hawing we slowing escalated to kevlar. One reason was the limited lifetime > on the plastic boats. I have taken out rental plastic boats that suffered > greatly from oil caning. They all suffered from one degree or another. I just > could not stand the thought of that happening to my boat. > It seemed to me that I was going to spend $2400 on two boats and within a very > short number of years I would be looking for a new boat. That was to expensive > for me. Hopefully others will comment on my impressions of plastic boats. > > Another was weight. It is funny how polyethylene kayaks have this reputation for toughness that lures people into buying them (in addition to cheaper cost) but in point of fact they are not as durable as fiberglass or kevlar composites. Plastic boats suffer from: oilcanning from being on roofracks or resting uneveningly on a beach; scars and strands of plastic that hang from the bottom from dragging them around that also slows them down on the water; and the relatively short lifespan expected of them before they get too brittle to repair easily are all points that get lost in the illusion of indestructability. Then there is the weight factor. They weigh a ton. Take a look at Sea Kayaker review of kayaks. The manufacturer says his boat weighs 55 lb. SK mag puts it on the scale and it is 66 lb.!!! And, at least in some of the plastic boats, a lot of the weight for some reason (the way the molds work, whatever) is at the ends; so when you pick one up and you don't have it perfectly horizontal, you start getting a pendulum effect making the carry even more difficult in addition to sheer weight. While kevlar is expensive, you can certainly shop around. Some companies offer their kevlar and fiberglass boats at a lot cheaper price than others. Take SEDA for example. Prices on them tend to run as much as $500 cheaper than their counterparts coming from other manufacturers. There may be a model from SEDA that suits you. Then there is Dan McCarthy's further comment (which I snipped) about going around to demo days and symposiums. Often these exhibits offer boats at 10-20% off list price which could make a difference or help you buy a nice paddle. Then, if you can wait until the end of the season, many kayak stores offer significant end of season sales to reduce their inventory and later bring in next year's models. I know around here in the NY area, some of the shops drop prices $800 or more on a $2,000 or so boat, perhaps not of the greatest colors but a nice savings. Also, some outfitters do sell off parts of their fleet at the end of the season and you can pick up a good fiberglass boat then at pretty close to list price. Unfortunately, if you are looking for a folding kayak, there are seldom any end of season sales as people will still buy them in winter for travel to warmer climes and dealers often are not stuck with just a local market pool as they can ship 'em by UPS anywhere. Only Folbot offers any such sales in the Fall. ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Since we are on the topic of finding less expensive kayaks I'll point out a new company that is selling kayaks over the web: http://www.qualitycomposites.com/ Prices for their kayaks are considerably lower than most other composit kayaks and everything that I've read about them is quite good. Models are John Winters designs, and same as the kayaks made by Swift Canoe and Kayak. http://www.swiftcanoe.com Tom. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Anyone out there the proud owner of a QCC kayak -- particularly the Q500? If so, would you please send me an e-mail direct. I'd like to "chat"! Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Unger <unger_at_tumtum.com> To: <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] kayak reviews and advice needed > Since we are on the topic of finding less expensive kayaks I'll point > out a new company that is selling kayaks over the web: > > http://www.qualitycomposites.com/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I agree that used is a great way to purchase your first boat: not only will your technique improve as you get more *boat time* but your tastes are likely to change too. In other words, what you like now probably won't be your first choice in a year or two. Further, one can usually sell a sea kayak purchased used for close to the same amount -- at least here in Seattle... Regarding the *fit* I'd make sure that I could pad out the cockpit if it didn't give me a perfect fit right off -- I think too many people buy a boat based on *best cockpit fit* instead of performance characteristics and the ability to make it comfortable and controllable -- Years ago my wife purchased a Mariner Sprite that fit her perfectly but it was too responsive. She now has a Coaster which didn't fit her nearly as well but is a much easier kayak to control. By using foam we were able to greatly improve the fit so she now has fit and control. (Yes, the Sprite has been replaced with a series of kayaks that are less responsive). Regarding the kayaks you mentioned, I haven't paddled the Perception boat but the Looksha Sport is a fun boat to paddle. It carves turns well and is short enough for some river use. It's not a fast kayak because of its short length but unless you're paddling with a FAST group, you're unlikely to be very constrained by the hull speed. If you want a little more hull speed, try the regular Looksha IV (either in plastic or composite) -- its a great boat but costs more especially if you get hatches and bulkheads (recommended). The Squall is a good boat also but I prefer the Looksha Sport. By the way, Necky now has a Looksha Sport LV or some such designation indicating lover volume. I just (Sunday) paddled it in Deception pass. It doesn't have a lot of room for gear and if I weighed allot less than 175lbs, it would be a neat day boat. For my weight, the regular volume Sport works much better -- it pivots on the gunnels better and carves turns better (I think I had too much of the LV under water -- but not enough to do stern squirts). Hope this helps, Eric Sonett -----Original Message----- From: Harold Kroeker [mailto:Harold_Kroeker_at_mbnet.mb.ca] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 12:31 AM To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] kayak reviews and advice needed For your build and intended use, I think that you should seriously consider the Current Designs Squall. My wife and I are of similar build to you and your wife and paddle fresh water exclusively, We both tried a number of boats before we chose the Squall. I even preferred it to the somewhat larger fibreglass version, the Solstice GTS HV. We have done a number of day trips and a wilderness trip for a week and have been extremely happy with our choices. After using my Squall for a year, I tried the GTS again and still find my boat more maneuverable and easier to roll. I am now hoping that they will make a fibreglass version of the Squall since I want to move up to fibreglass but don't want to move to a larger boat. Harold Kroeker Winnipeg, MB Canada At 05:37 PM 5/3/99 -0600, you wrote: >Hello everyone, > >My wife and I are looking to add kayak touring to our long list of athletic >endeavors. For now we are looking for boats that come in just under $1,200 >each. We'll use them for a couple of years and then move into more advanced >kayaks. >My wife likes the Perception Carolina Exp. and I am trying to decide >between several but I seem to keep coming back to the Necky Looksha Sport >Exp. >We can't test the boats out because touring demos and rentals aren't the >thing here in Northern Utah. >Anyway, I'm looking for other folks opinions on these boats as well as who >we should and should not order from. >My wife and I are both on the light side, 115 lbs (5' 7") and 155 lbs (5' >11") respectively and we plan on sticking to large lakes and reservoirs to >begin with before moving on to some of the calmer river stretches. Two or >three day trips will be the norm and I'd like boats that have a good >balance between speed and maneuverability. > >Thanks in advance, > >Ron and Nancy > > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Its not: the Sport is a much more responsive, shorter, roomier kayak than the IVS. -----Original Message----- From: dmccarty_at_us.ibm.com [mailto:dmccarty_at_us.ibm.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 6:56 AM To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] kayak reviews and advice needed <snip some stuff> |My wife and I are looking to add kayak touring to our long list of athletic |endeavors. For now we are looking for boats that come in just under $1,200 |each. We'll use them for a couple of years and then move into more advanced |kayaks. |My wife likes the Perception Carolina Exp. and I am trying to decide |between several but I seem to keep coming back to the Necky Looksha Sport |Exp. <snip some more> |Ron and Nancy I'm going to make an assumption that that Necky Looksha Sport Exp is the plastic version of the Loosksha Sport IVs. I have a Looksha IV and my wife has the IVs. Both are kevlar layups. When we started looking into sea kayaks we started with plastic but after much hmmming and hawing we slowing escalated to kevlar. One reason was the limited lifetime on the plastic boats. I have taken out rental plastic boats that suffered greatly from oil caning. They all suffered from one degree or another. I just could not stand the thought of that happening to my boat. It seemed to me that I was going to spend $2400 on two boats and within a very short number of years I would be looking for a new boat. That was to expensive for me. Hopefully others will comment on my impressions of plastic boats. Another was weight. I'm 6 feet tall and 185 pounds. I keep in shape. I have moved, by hand, 25 tons of dirt and rock into my yard for landscaping. Weak mind, strong back, don't ya know! I dont want a heavy boat. 8-) PITA. I can get my kayak up on my truck, solo, without a problem. Add another 20% or so and it gets more uncomfortable. Especially when the wind picks up. Remember that the kayaks are long and ungainly. Every bit of weight hurts when loading and unloading. If you will always be paddling with your wife it may not be an issue. If you or her will be soloing you may want to take that into consideration. The height of the vehicle(s) that will transport the yaks also should be considered. There is a great difference in loading the yaks on our beat up "short" Volvo station wagon as compared with my full size, "tall" 4x4 pick' em up truck. Of course money is a concern as well but only you can make that decsion. We love our Looksha's. I paddled quite a few other kayaks before settling on the Looksha. After a couple of months with the Looksha IV, I paddled other boats I had initially considered. I made the right choice. Even with the extra money for the kevlar. But you really should try to find a symposium or a demo day somewhere to try out the boats. The paddling stores in my area, central NC, start having demo days in the early summer. I ended up with a boat I had not initially considered. We ended up traveling 5 hours and staying overnight for a symposium to try out different boats. Best investment we made. Hope this rambling helps.... Dan McCarty *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
|Its not: the Sport is a much more responsive, shorter, roomier kayak than |the IVS. Do you know the length and beam of the Sport. Kinda curious. The IV is 17 feet long. 22 inches wide as I remember. The IVs is 16.5 feet long. Same beam. Thanks... Dan McCarty *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
It is funny how polyethylene kayaks have this reputation for toughness that lures people into buying them (in addition to cheaper cost) but in point of fact they are not as durable as fiberglass or kevlar composites. Plastic boats don't last as long, but they are tough. I hit rocks in my plastic boat and get a little scratch. Due to the flex in the material, though, I don't ge a depressing gash as I would wiith my folding boat or my Kevlar boat. Also, there is the psychological factor associated with the cost. I paid around $900 for my Plastic Sea Lion. So it just doesn't bug me as much when I slam into a barnicle covered rock in that boat as opposed to my $3800 Khatsalano. I think its this psychological factor that has earned plastic boats their tough reputation. They are considered tougher because their owners are more willing to abuse them around rocks. I will always keep a ready-to-abuse plastic boat in my fleet so when I know I'm going to bash into lots of rocks -- either in shallow rivers or rugged coast lines -- I have a boat to use without suffering mental anguish. --Tim " proud owner of a two ton plastic Sea Lion" > -----Original Message----- > From: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com [SMTP:rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 10:23 AM > To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] kayak reviews and advice needed > > dmccarty_at_us.ibm.com wrote: > > > > > I have a Looksha IV and my wife has the IVs. Both are kevlar layups. > When we > > started looking into sea kayaks we started with plastic but after much > hmmming > > and hawing we slowing escalated to kevlar. One reason was the limited > lifetime > > on the plastic boats. I have taken out rental plastic boats that > suffered > > greatly from oil caning. They all suffered from one degree or another. > I just > > could not stand the thought of that happening to my boat. > > It seemed to me that I was going to spend $2400 on two boats and within > a very > > short number of years I would be looking for a new boat. That was to > expensive > > for me. Hopefully others will comment on my impressions of plastic > boats. > > > > Another was weight. > > It is funny how polyethylene kayaks have this reputation for toughness > that lures people into buying them (in addition to cheaper cost) but in > point of fact they are not as durable as fiberglass or kevlar > composites. Plastic boats suffer from: oilcanning from being on > roofracks or resting uneveningly on a beach; scars and strands of > plastic that hang from the bottom from dragging them around that also > slows them down on the water; and the relatively short lifespan expected > of them before they get too brittle to repair easily are all points that > get lost in the illusion of indestructability. Then there is the weight > factor. They weigh a ton. Take a look at Sea Kayaker review of > kayaks. The manufacturer says his boat weighs 55 lb. SK mag puts it on > the scale and it is 66 lb.!!! And, at least in some of the plastic > boats, a lot of the weight for some reason (the way the molds work, > whatever) is at the ends; so when you pick one up and you don't have it > perfectly horizontal, you start getting a pendulum effect making the > carry even more difficult in addition to sheer weight. > > While kevlar is expensive, you can certainly shop around. Some > companies offer their kevlar and fiberglass boats at a lot cheaper price > than others. Take SEDA for example. Prices on them tend to run as much > as $500 cheaper than their counterparts coming from other > manufacturers. There may be a model from SEDA that suits you. Then > there is Dan McCarthy's further comment (which I snipped) about going > around to demo days and symposiums. Often these exhibits offer boats at > 10-20% off list price which could make a difference or help you buy a > nice paddle. Then, if you can wait until the end of the season, many > kayak stores offer significant end of season sales to reduce their > inventory and later bring in next year's models. I know around here in > the NY area, some of the shops drop prices $800 or more on a $2,000 or > so boat, perhaps not of the greatest colors but a nice savings. Also, > some outfitters do sell off parts of their fleet at the end of the > season and you can pick up a good fiberglass boat then at pretty close > to list price. > > Unfortunately, if you are looking for a folding kayak, there are seldom > any end of season sales as people will still buy them in winter for > travel to warmer climes and dealers often are not stuck with just a > local market pool as they can ship 'em by UPS anywhere. Only Folbot > offers any such sales in the Fall. > > ralph diaz > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter > PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 > Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com > "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ************************************************************************** > * > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > ************************************************************************** > * *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Dan, I don't but I think its on the Necky web site: http://necky.com/catalog/Group.asp?Group=Looksha Eric -----Original Message----- From: dmccarty_at_us.ibm.com [mailto:dmccarty_at_us.ibm.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 9:59 AM To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] kayak reviews and advice needed |Its not: the Sport is a much more responsive, shorter, roomier kayak than |the IVS. Do you know the length and beam of the Sport. Kinda curious. The IV is 17 feet long. 22 inches wide as I remember. The IVs is 16.5 feet long. Same beam. Thanks... Dan McCarty *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
> Anyone out there the proud owner of a QCC kayak -- particularly the Q500? > If so, would you please send me an e-mail direct. I'd like to "chat"! I hope you'll keep a kayak review discussion on the List. Many folks would be interested. QCC has a 'sale event' listed on their Web site. The boats sure look nice, and it would be great to hear the ups and downs from owners. Cheers, Jim > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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