Re: [Paddlewise] Shawn and Wes get flamed for using bungies !

I find it increasingly difficult to use bow and stern lines, especially
when I rent some of the newer vans (one way rentals are a great way to not
have to back-track on a two week trip, for example). The plastic bumpers
and cheap chromed plastic abrades so easily on there new aroedynamic
vehicles. Padding seems to come loose from in behind the rope. I still use
a bow and stern line, and make sure the rental had lots of dirt on it!
 
On my own car, I use a nice red Canadian flag part way down the stern line
so people dont bump their heads into the stern of my yak. In summer, a lot
of people wear brimmed hats, and they just don't see the end of the yak
sticking out - the flag part way down helps. 

BC'in Ya
Doug Lloyd

At 04:27 PM 8/27/99 -0700, you wrote:
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Shawn W. Baker <baker_at_montana.com>
>
>>When I used to use bungies a lot with my foam blocks, I always used bow
>>and stern lines.  Yes, they were definitely needed both for preventing
>>side-to-side movement and uplift.  Now that I have saddles and NRS
>>straps, I've *gasp!* neglected to use the bow and stern lines anymore.
>>The strap/saddle combination seems _way_ more secure than the old
>>bow-stern painter/bungie/belt/suspender/shoelace/dental floss/old
>>extension cord combination.
>>Shawn
>>
>Yes they are way more secure but you are still trusting the attachment of
>your rack to your car's roof to hold it all. Bow and stern lines diminish
>the possibility of attachment failure by limiting the upward, forward/back
>(if the lines are in a trapezoidal rather than parallelogram configuration
>when viewed from the side) and side to side ranges of motion stressing the
>attachments to the roof. If the rack comes loose for whatever reason bow and
>stern lines will minimize the damage potential too. Also no single failure
>in the system will lead to a disaster.
>Matt Broze
>http://www.marinerkayaks.com
>
>
>
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