Bayside bob wrote.....I have been advised "always buy white boats" I have talked to Ferry boat captains and coast guard helicopter pilots who both say on a windy day when the seas are churned up that a white boat looks like a whitecap wave. In other words after the ferry hits you the coast guard can't find you. Bob Sitka *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>From: "Rev. Bob Carter" <revkayak_at_ptialaska.net> >I have talked to Ferry boat captains and coast guard helicopter pilots who >both say on a windy day when the seas are churned up that a white boat >looks >like a whitecap wave. In other words after the ferry hits you the coast >guard >can't find you. For this very reason, when I re-gelcoat my boat, I'm going to colour everything below the waterline that radioactive, high-visibility greeny-yellow you see on ocean racing clothing (assuming I can find the right pigment.) In addition to being easier to spot when you're capasized and in trouble, it should make your boat stand out miles away on roof racks if someone stole it. Philip Torrens N49°16' W123°06' *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Philip Torrens wrote: > For this very reason, when I re-gelcoat my boat, I'm going to colour > everything below the waterline that radioactive, high-visibility > greeny-yellow you see on ocean racing clothing (assuming I can find the > right pigment.) Should be easy, Philip. That's the color I ended up with when I tried to mix a mustard yellow to match my boat (did I mention I'm color blind?). One of the most visible kayaks I've seen was a Nordkapp that was yellow and red striped on the deck and yellow on the hull. The stripes were quite wide It made it look like some kind of weird rescue boat. Surely the work of a truely crazed Brit boat affecionado. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>I have talked to Ferry boat captains and coast guard helicopter pilots who >both say on a windy day when the seas are churned up that a white boat >looks >like a whitecap wave. In other words after the ferry hits you the coast >guard >can't find you. All my boats are now bright orange on deck and bright yellow on hull. Very ugly, but you sure can see it from afar. Esthetic considerations have no place in choosing a color. Jerry *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Interesting thread, I thought I'd throw my few cents worth in. As A US Navy SAR pilot for the last 15 years I can tell you that generally speaking colors of boats/small flags don't really matter much. If you are really looking to have color make a difference it must cover a large enough area to be seen from a distance. That is why the Navy includes sea dye marker in all of our life raft and RSSK (rigid seat survival kit- for ejection seat equppied aircraft). This dye turns the sea bright yellow-green for a large area around where it is put in (varying in size based upon winds speed, swells, etc) I have found that what generally gets spotted is motion and bright flashes. Waving a reflectorized paddle might help, but best of all is one of those sun refelecting mirrors. I have personally spotted them at over 10 miles on a normal (partly overcast day). At night, almost any light source will be helpful, especially a red or white flashing strobe. On NVGs (night vision goggles) I can spot a flashing light for many miles. I used this to pick up two guys when we saw their strobes at over 8 miles one night. As for sharks, gay bladers, feathered paddles, I can only reply as another famous comic once said "Baseball been very very good to me" PS SandyKayak, would homophobic misogamy be a fear of gay marriages?? regards, Sluf *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Thanks, Kevin, One of the real values of internet mailing lists is the fabulous diversity of experience that we get to draw on. I find comments from people such as your self, who have spent a lot of time up there actually looking for people in the expanse of water, to be really valuable to me. I'd already planned to pickup a strobe and a mirror, looks like I'll add a couple of dye packs to the emergency package. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Flory, San Jose, CA. dflory_at_earthlink.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Speak softly and study Aikido, then you won't need a big stick. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 9/20/99 3:52:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, michaeldaly_at_home.com writes: << One of the most visible kayaks I've seen was a Nordkapp that was yellow and red striped on the deck and yellow on the hull. >> Mmm... I notice the women aren't saying things like, "Of course color doesn't matter." Hey, guys, color (i.e. aesthetics) DOES MATTER. The top of my glass Gypsy is light turquoise and the hull is, of course, white. Can anyone come up with something like a wide adhesive strip that I could stick on the bottom, say from bow to stern? I wonder if the psychedelic flowers I was going to buy to stick on my van would work? Nahh, just remembered, they're magnetic. There aren't many of us women who are going to re-do our gelcoats in our spare time! Anyone know where I can get some super-waterproof decals? Any suggestions on how to "decorate" one's "bottom" so as to be easily visible among the whitecaps?? (This should be fun....) Sandy Kramer *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>Any suggestions on how to "decorate" one's "bottom" so as to be easily >visible among the whitecaps?? (This should be fun....) Hi Sandy, I have a gay friend who is a interior decorator who may be able to help you :~) Arthur *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 9/20/99 5:54:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, seacajun_at_gs.net writes: << Any suggestions on how to "decorate" one's "bottom" so as to be easily >visible among the whitecaps?? (This should be fun....) Hi Sandy, I have a gay friend who is a interior decorator who may be able to help you :~) Arthur >> WAY TOOOOO FUNNY, ARTHUR! *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
This started with a request for info on cleaning up light scratches in gelcoat. The boat I was working on is not white. The hull is white but the deck is dark green. An elusive target for ferry captains who aim for small boats to toss them about in those huge, energy wasting wakes to the delight of passengers too indolent to cross the water under their own power. A veritable stealth-boat to Department of Transportation Coast Guard choppers. No 6 O'clock news shots of me wet while some 22 year old Coastie talks about how stupid I was to be there and how many thousands of dollars an hour the rescue cost the taxpayers. And the mention of the Bay Blades (at least THEY have a sense of humor) was misogamy perhaps,not homophobia. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Has anyone tried the pennants that some of the cyclists use. They are mounted on about a 7 foot thin fiberglass pole with a dayglo pennant. If I could find somewhere out of the way it would seem to have the advantages of height, color and movement. -----Original Message----- From: Gerald Foodman <klagjf_at_worldnet.att.net> To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net> Date: Monday, September 20, 1999 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] whiteboats and whitecaps >>I have talked to Ferry boat captains and coast guard helicopter pilots who >>both say on a windy day when the seas are churned up that a white boat >>looks >>like a whitecap wave. In other words after the ferry hits you the coast >>guard >>can't find you. > >All my boats are now bright orange on deck and bright yellow on hull. Very >ugly, but you sure can see it from afar. > >Esthetic considerations have no place in choosing a color. > >Jerry > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Whiterabbit wrote: > Has anyone tried the pennants that some of the cyclists use. They are > mounted on about a 7 foot thin fiberglass pole with a dayglo pennant. If I > could find somewhere out of the way it would seem to have the advantages of > height, color and movement. FWIW, the kayakers in Maine were able to prevent a law that would have forced kayakers to use them. The problem is that the long lever arm to the flag makes it an impediment to rolliing. They do sell these for kayaks. They come with a big suction cup thingy as a base that sticks to the deck and bungies attach it to your lifelines. Not very popular, though I have seen them used arounf these parts. I'd prefer to rely on Scotchlite reflective tape on the paddle blades. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Whiterabbit wrote: > > Has anyone tried the pennants that some of the cyclists use. They are > mounted on about a 7 foot thin fiberglass pole with a dayglo pennant. If I > could find somewhere out of the way it would seem to have the advantages of > height, color and movement. I have discussed the issue of visibility with some local sailors and power boaters, and the consensus seems to be that bicycle flags are the very best way of improving the visibility of a sea kayak. One boater said to me that without these flags, kayakers look like a "bird on a log", to which I replied "well, you certainly don't want to hit a log, so I guess we are safe". His response was that there is a reason his hull is 6 inches thick--he does not always spot logs (even when they have a bird perched on them). So I suppose that adding a bicycle flag might be a good idea. Not that *I* would ever clutter my deck in that manner. :-) I have a bright yellow boat (deck and hull), and rely on my ability to dodge larger boats. Fortunately we do not have many jet skis or jet boats in the areas I paddle. I don't know how one dodges a zig-zagging jet ski being driven by an out-of-control 16 year old, other than executing a carefully timed capsize. (Hopefully the jet skier's friend doesn't happen along just as you are rolling back up...) Dan Hagen *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Whiterabbit wrote: > Has anyone tried the pennants that some of the cyclists use. They are > mounted on about a 7 foot thin fiberglass pole with a dayglo pennant. If I > could find somewhere out of the way it would seem to have the advantages of > height, color and movement. A year or two ago they tried to enact legislation in Maine that required kayaks on the ocean to have one of the "bike flags". It is my understanding that it did not pass because of potential difficulties rolling with the flag and that it would not make that much difference to the lobster fisherman. (maybe they were going to use them as targets) Hal Wilton, NH Power your boat with carbohydrates, not hydrocarbons. http://www.jlc.net/~hlevin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 9/20/99 9:35:39 PM, dan_at_hagen.net writes: << Fortunately we do not have many jet skis or jet boats in the areas I paddle. I don't know how one dodges a zig-zagging jet ski being driven by an out-of-control 16 year old, other than executing a carefully timed capsize. (Hopefully the jet skier's friend doesn't happen along just as you are rolling back up...) >> where is it you paddle? I thought they had universally invaded unless ejected by the powers that patrol and ask silly questions, like why don't you h ave a motor? answer: it doesn't fit joan *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 9/20/99 8:46:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, vaughan_at_jps.net writes: << And the mention of the Bay Blades (at least THEY have a sense of humor) was misogamy perhaps,not homophobia. >> OK, guys (unisex usage), I looked it up: misogamy is the hatred of marriage!! Sandy Kramer *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 9/20/99 8:46:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, vaughan_at_jps.net writes: << And the mention of the Bay Blades (at least THEY have a sense of humor) was misogamy perhaps,not homophobia. >> Sandy Kramer replies: OK, guys (unisex usage), I looked it up: misogamy is the hatred of marriage!! Perhaps the word was "misogyny" which is hatred of women. Cheers y'all, Dave, Philosophunculist (an intellectual lightweight who pretends to know more about something than he actually does for the sake of impressing someone) Dave Williams dave_at_paddleasia.com http://paddleasia.com Phuket, Thailand *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 9/21/99 9:16:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, paddler_at_loxinfo.co.th writes: << << And the mention of the Bay Blades (at least THEY have a sense of humor) was misogamy perhaps,not homophobia. >> Sandy Kramer replies: OK, guys (unisex usage), I looked it up: misogamy is the hatred of marriage!! Perhaps the word was "misogyny" which is hatred of women. >> Now you REALLY started something!! He's going to write back asserting how much he adores women, especially his wife!!! (who is probably ticked off because he admitted to hating marriage). He is married, ins't he??? I believe it was Bob in Callifornia (SFO area, I think). Sandy Kramer *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 Sandykayak_at_aol.com wrote: > Now you REALLY started something!! He's going to write back asserting how > much he adores women, especially his wife!!! (who is probably ticked off > because he admitted to hating marriage). He is married, ins't he??? I > believe it was Bob in Callifornia (SFO area, I think). "Bigamy is having one wife too many. Monogamy is the same." Oscar Wilde, of course. e Elaine Harmon - eilidh_at_dc.seflin.org - eharmon_at_cs.miami.edu *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> > Now you REALLY started something!! He's going to write back asserting how > > much he adores women, especially his wife!!! (who is probably ticked off > > because he admitted to hating marriage). He is married, ins't he??? I > > believe it was Bob in Callifornia (SFO area, I think). > > "Bigamy is having one wife too many. Monogamy is the same." Oscar Wilde, > of course. e So are we to assume he is a miscreant practicing misanthropy? Quietly musing, Dennis *************************************************************************** > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 9/21/99 1:01:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, raisden_at_mediaone.net writes: << So are we to assume he is a miscreant practicing misanthropy? >> After plowing through the dictionary (again!): He's referring to a bad guy who has a "hatred of man." Does that mean he likes women, though! (PLEASE GET US OFF THIS THREAD!!) Sandy Kramer *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
|Any suggestions on how to "decorate" one's "bottom" so as to be easily |visible among the whitecaps?? (This should be fun....) |Sandy Kramer Sandy, Sandy, Sandy, you asked for it...... One could use a paddle to redden one or someone elses bottom. Me thinks the color change would be short lived but I think it would get the Coast Guards notice! The idea of self reddening is interesting. From a purley mechanical point of view of course! I'm not sure that either approach is legal in some states..... Course the danger in starting this topic is ...... To use Feather or Unfeather paddles! Is this in the FAQ? I would say, "This is all tongue in cheek!" but I AIN'T GOING THERE!" 8-) Later.... DanWhoUsesPaddlesForKayakingOnly *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 05:03 PM 9/20/99 -0400, dmccarty_at_us.ibm.com wrote: >|Any suggestions on how to "decorate" one's "bottom" so as to be easily >|visible among the whitecaps?? (This should be fun....) > >|Sandy Kramer > >Sandy, Sandy, Sandy, you asked for it...... > >One could use a paddle to redden one or someone elses bottom. Me thinks the >color change would be short lived but I think it would get the Coast Guards >notice! The idea of self reddening is interesting. From a purley mechanical >point of view of course! > >I'm not sure that either approach is legal in some states..... > >Course the danger in starting this topic is ...... > >To use Feather or Unfeather paddles! Is this in the FAQ? > >I would say, "This is all tongue in cheek!" but I AIN'T GOING THERE!" > >8-) > >Later.... >DanWhoUsesPaddlesForKayakingOnly > Type in Paddle in a search engine and see what you get Dana *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
<< Any suggestions on how to "decorate" one's "bottom" so as to be easily |visible among the whitecaps?? (This should be fun....) |Sandy Kramer Sandy, Sandy, Sandy, you asked for it...... One could use a paddle to redden one or someone elses bottom... I would say, "This is all tongue in cheek!" but I AIN'T GOING THERE!" 8-) Later.... DanWhoUsesPaddlesForKayakingOnly Well, Dan, you could have knocked me down with a feather on that one!! :):) Sandy Kramer *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 9/21/99 2:50:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kmkenney_at_worldnet.att.net writes: << PS SandyKayak, would homophobic misogamy be a fear of gay marriages?? >> THAT'S IT!!! Enough thought-provoking vocabulary for one day. :) Sandy Kramer *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Generally the brighter the gelcoat color the quicker it fades. Matt Broze http://www.marinerkayaks.com -----Original Message----- From: Philip Torrens <skerries_at_hotmail.com> >>From: "Rev. Bob Carter" <revkayak_at_ptialaska.net> > >>I have talked to Ferry boat captains and coast guard helicopter pilots who >>both say on a windy day when the seas are churned up that a white boat >>looks >>like a whitecap wave. In other words after the ferry hits you the coast >>guard >>can't find you. > >For this very reason, when I re-gelcoat my boat, I'm going to colour >everything below the waterline that radioactive, high-visibility >greeny-yellow you see on ocean racing clothing (assuming I can find the >right pigment.) In addition to being easier to spot when you're capasized >and in trouble, it should make your boat stand out miles away on roof racks >if someone stole it. > >Philip Torrens >N49°16' W123°06' > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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