Where does one look to begin research on race (sea)kayaks? The "unlimited" guys are showing up with long, light, exotic craft that seem to be custom built. Are there some more popular/accepted builders? Materials? etc? Tom *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
There are quite a few options for speedy race boats. It also depends on whether you are looking for a surf ski style or a boat with a cockpit. Some names I would suggest investigating are: West Side Boat Shop Futura Valhalla Twogood Current Designs (Speedster) Sisson (in New Zealand) Many local race clubs have lists of boats that they have classified for race classes. You may want to contact some of these and look for boats in the "unlimited" or "high performance" categories. My local club, the Sound Rowers have theirs posted online. http://www.soundrowers.org Many touring boat manufacturers offer a high performance model also that may be good for crossover racing if you are not willing to invest in a dedicated race boat. I hope this gets you off to a good start. Daniel -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Daniel Key Mechanical Engineering, University of Washington dtheman_at_u.washington.edu (206) 527-2915 http://students.washington.edu/dtheman -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 WILAX_at_aol.com wrote: > Where does one look to begin research on race (sea)kayaks? The "unlimited" > guys are showing up with long, light, exotic craft that seem to be custom > built. Are there some more popular/accepted builders? Materials? etc? > > Tom > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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Hi Tom. I suggest going to or paddling in a race. At the races is been to/in there is a huge variety of boats at the lauch, and usually the owners are more than happy to talk about their craft. Barbara, just south of San Francisco At 05:05 PM 9/21/1999 EDT, WILAX_at_aol.com wrote: >Where does one look to begin research on race (sea)kayaks? The "unlimited" >guys are showing up with long, light, exotic craft that seem to be custom >built. Are there some more popular/accepted builders? Materials? etc? > >Tom >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** > > Barbara Kossy Communications PO Box 434 Moss Beach, California bkossy _at_igc.org 650-728-8720 fax: 650-728-8753 *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 WILAX_at_aol.com wrote: > Where does one look to begin research on race (sea)kayaks? The "unlimited" > guys are showing up with long, light, exotic craft that seem to be custom > built. Are there some more popular/accepted builders? Materials? etc? West Side Boat shop from Longport NY makes a whole mess of racing kayaks, I expect most of what you see are their boats. Surf skis are going to be your other option http://www.surfskiis.com (futura) http://www.aloha.com/~twogood (twogood) At a race I did this spring a Necky sea kayak placed second, he was disappointingly close to me, closer than the other surf skis. Necky used to, they may still, make the Arluk I. I've heard rumors of a special, "ask the necky rep if you can borrow" boat, called the 20/20. Seda makes the glider, more of a touring kayak. Baldwin (from bowdoin maine?) makes/made the falcon K, a mighty comfy boat. The CLC 19.5 is another possible option. I think WeNoNah makes at least one race kayak. Also be sure to ask the folks at the races. I periodically ask to try peoples boats. I sometimes ask before the race if I can try a boat after the race. As for materials, light and stiff is the way to go. Expect vacuum bagged mixes of materials with a foam core. Depending on price the layups start at fiberglass, then kevlar, then carbon, then spectra. kirk currently using a futura surf ski to race, my wife's Nordkapp HM just isn't up to the job. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
While I love my British boat for it's sleekness, I actually bought an old Klepper yesteday for a couple hundred dollars. I'm so excited - no sewing or knitting this fall, just glues and epoxies! I loved running ten day trips in them in the eighties in Baja, and have always wanted one. I finally pulled out Ralph's Folding Kayaker and read the repair section today. The worst of it (and I want to hold off buying a new skin for awhile) is where the blue canvas has departed from the grey hull. What is the cool fix for that? The wood and fittings are mostly in great shape, so I want to do the skin first. Looks like it needs new keel strips and stuff, but I have a long history in raft repair and patching even Klepper hulls. Then I'll need a sail.....and I'll be all set! Andree Hurley Hurley Design Communications - ICQ# 27469637 On-line Editor - http://www.canoekayak.com Other Kayaking - http://www.onwatersports.com Web Sites for Specialty Businesses - http://www.viewit.com/HDC/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Andree Hurley wrote: > > While I love my British boat for it's sleekness, I actually bought an old > Klepper yesteday for a couple hundred dollars. I'm so excited - no sewing > or knitting this fall, just glues and epoxies! I loved running ten day > trips in them in the eighties in Baja, and have always wanted one. I > finally pulled out Ralph's Folding Kayaker and read the repair section > today. > > The worst of it (and I want to hold off buying a new skin for > awhile) is where the blue canvas has departed from the grey hull. What is > the cool fix for that? There is no simple glue fix for that unless it is a few inches or so of seam separation. It may need to be re-sewn. If you are handy you could do it yourself. Mark Eckhardt was mentioned as being able to do it for you but you may not want to go through that expense, although his workmanship is stellar and reasonably reasonable. > > The wood and fittings are mostly in great shape, so I want to do the skin > first. > > Looks like it needs new keel strips and stuff, but I have a long history > in raft repair and patching even Klepper hulls. The keelstripping material itself is costly when it comes from Klepper but maybe NRS has it at a better price. If you go the keelstrip route, use just the 2.25 inch wide strips for the bottom rather than the 10 inch wide strip. Run 4 of these 2.35 inch keelstrips one each for the chine rods area and one each that go where the two rails form the keel. best, ralph ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> There is no simple glue fix for that unless it is a few inches or so of > seam separation. It may need to be re-sewn. If you are handy you could Yeah, I turned it inside out and washed it yesterday (it was filthy, not just dirty!), and so got more rippage. What is the best tool, an awl (sp?) The keelstrips actually look pretty good. One is pealing off though, so I guess I'll clean off the old glue, sand it, and reglue with either Klepper Glue, Barge Cement, or some other glue (it's the grey hull). The bow is the worst. I guess I'll get some rubber fabric and glue it together, sew new blue to the blue and then to the hull. Still think it's better than spending $2000 on a new hull, believe it or not. The wood was all painted white but is flaking off the still nice varnish underneith. Only one piece of the coming needs replacement or wood puddy as you mentioned in the book, and then re-hinging. So... > > The keelstripping material itself is costly when it comes from Klepper > but maybe NRS has it at a better price. If you go the keelstrip route, > use just the 2.25 inch wide strips for the bottom rather than the 10 > inch wide strip. Run 4 of these 2.35 inch keelstrips one each for the > chine rods area and one each that go where the two rails form the keel. > > best, > > ralph > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter > PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 > Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com > "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Andree Hurley Hurley Design Communications - ICQ# 27469637 On-line Editor - http://www.canoekayak.com Other Kayaking - http://www.onwatersports.com Web Sites for Specialty Businesses - http://www.viewit.com/HDC/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Andree Hurley wrote: > > > There is no simple glue fix for that unless it is a few inches or so of > > seam separation. It may need to be re-sewn. If you are handy you could > > Yeah, I turned it inside out and washed it yesterday (it was filthy, not > just dirty!), and so got more rippage. What is the best tool, an awl (sp?) Whatever a sail maker would use. The material is thick. I suggest whatever you see in the NRS catalog for sewing equipment. > > The keelstrips actually look pretty good. One is pealing off though, so I > guess I'll clean off the old glue, sand it, and reglue with either > Klepper Glue, Barge Cement, or some other glue (it's the grey hull). That sometimes can be tricky to work, I mean a lifted keepstrip. You need to clean out the grit. Barge Cement would probably be best for such repair, better than the Klepper adhesive. > > The bow is the worst. I guess I'll get some rubber fabric and glue it > together, sew new blue to the blue and then to the hull. The bow and stern pieces on Kleppers tends to crack years ahead of when the hypalon is likely to. It is one of the standard repairs that can be expected in older Kleppers. I don't really know why. > > Still think it's better than spending $2000 on a new hull, believe it or > not. > > The wood was all painted white but is flaking off the still nice varnish > underneith. Only one piece of the coming needs replacement or wood puddy > as you mentioned in the book, and then re-hinging. You might want to also run a splint across a coaming that is cracked through to make certain it holds well if you are using wood putty or such. It is just a part that is splintering, glue or putty will do. best, ralph BTW, the birds on my terrace were a lot noisier than they were when you and your friend stayed over at my place a zillion years ago. I know you were surprised to awaken to bird sounds in the middle of Manhattan. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> > On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 WILAX_at_aol.com wrote: > > > Where does one look to begin research on race (sea)kayaks? The "unlimited" > > guys are showing up with long, light, exotic craft that seem to be custom > > built. Are there some more popular/accepted builders? Materials? etc? > > West Side Boat shop from Longport NY makes a whole mess of racing kayaks, I > expect most of what you see are their boats. > > Surf skis are going to be your other option > http://www.surfskiis.com (futura) > http://www.aloha.com/~twogood (twogood) > > At a race I did this spring a Necky sea kayak placed second, he was > disappointingly close to me, closer than the other surf skis. > > Necky used to, they may still, make the Arluk I. I've heard rumors of a > special, "ask the necky rep if you can borrow" boat, called the 20/20. The Necky Looksha II is 20' long, 20" wide. Perhaps that is what is being referred to. > Seda makes the glider, more of a touring kayak. > Baldwin (from bowdoin maine?) makes/made the falcon K, a mighty comfy boat. > > The CLC 19.5 is another possible option. That's a Patuxent. It's 19.5' long. -- John Fereira jaf30_at_cornell.edu *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
For those who read online, the latest issue (October) is now up online. A few paddle-wisers have articles there, I noticed this time! http://www.canoekayak.com Andree Hurley Hurley Design Communications - ICQ# 27469637 On-line Editor - http://www.canoekayak.com Other Kayaking - http://www.onwatersports.com Web Sites for Specialty Businesses - http://www.viewit.com/HDC/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 9/22/99 3:10:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ahurley_at_viewit.com writes: << For those who read online, the latest issue (October) is now up online. >> Question: Is the whole month's magazine online? If it's available online how do they make their money from what is obviously an expensive venture? If thousands of people cancel their subscriptions in order to read the online version .... Does the number of hard copies sold offset the online version? I had a quick peek and when I clicked to the Kayak of the Future it said in parenthesis (October 1998) which confused me even more. Thanks, Sandy Kramer Miami *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> > Question: Is the whole month's magazine online? If it's available online > how do they make their money from what is obviously an expensive venture? If No, only selected articles are online. It's more convenient to order it, and some people like to have the paper product in hand (like me and the Sunday New York Times) Andree Hurley Hurley Design Communications - ICQ# 27469637 On-line Editor - http://www.canoekayak.com Other Kayaking - http://www.onwatersports.com Web Sites for Specialty Businesses - http://www.viewit.com/HDC/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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