At 11:11 11/4/99 -0600, Chuck Holst wrote: >>> >Another recumbent bicycler in Pwise! You guys must be onto something. >Tell >me about it (not necessarily on the list). >>> > >I know another recumbent bicycler who is thinking of taking up sea >kayaking: my contractor! > >Chuck Holst i bought my first [and hopefully only ;-] recumbent this spring. it's interesting... hard to ride up some of the steeper hills, since you can't just stand up!! mark who believes you should have multiple bikes for mutliple purposes, just like different boats for different conditions ;-) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 11/04/1999 3:20:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, joebr_at_burton.com writes: << >mark >who believes you should have multiple bikes for multiple purposes, >just like different boats for different conditions ;-) Mark - your multiple belief holds true for most "toys". At least that what I tell my future wife when she comments on my 2 bikes, 6 snowboards (soon 7), 2 tents, 2 sleeping bags, several packs, etc.. I'm not so sure she's convinced, but she's learning (she wants a 3rd snowboard). >> ONLY TWO TENTS!????? What's your problem? There's the large stand-up-in tent with the screened porch, the 8x8, the new 7x7 for an upcoming 4-days in one spot trip, the double for kayaking, the bivy for backpacking, the single for backpacking, the single for air trip camping, the single for kayaking, the single for canoeing, and the double that I keep because I always regret selling anything!! Oh, yeah, there are a couple of Wal-Mart $20 tents also! the newest one will be used as a cabana on Cayo Costa (Fla) over Thanksgiving. Sandy Kramer who probably has more tents than kayaks and should see a shrink. (Was delighted to see how many boats, bikes, snowboards etc. the other packrats have!) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Zur Nachricht vom 4. Nov 99 23:23 Seems like there is a close correlation between paddling a kayak and owning a recumbent bike :-) I have a (slightly modified) Flux recumbent for just about a year now and I love it for the same reasons Michael Stoccardo has mentioned: Relaxed riding, no more pain. Though I'm currently developing an air-filled seat to make long trips it even more comfi for my behind. Ferdinand *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 11/5/1999 12:07:49 AM Central Standard Time, F.SOETHE_at_OLN.comlink.apc.org writes: << Though I'm currently developing an air-filled seat to make long trips it even more comfi for my behind. >> Get ya a Gell Seat kayak pad, it is better than an air cushion. Tried both. Gel is a good investment. Your butt will outlast the rest of you with one. John *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I'm late on this thread so apologies if this has been covered. Nautiraid make a great seat that is inflatable *or* can be filled with water, adding greatly to the carrying capacity of many boats on Sea of Cortez and other tours where all water must be carried. They are as comfy as a water seat (French, you know, the masters of those sorts of things) and well made. Black nylon cover with handles makes carrying easy and the black absorbs heat, partially warming the H2O if that is of benefit. Hint: Be sure to fit a piece of clear plastic tube over the filling nozzle and find a funnel that matches the other end else you will spend half your trip trying to dribble the seat full through the nozzle. Bad idea. We found a folding funnel that flattens and attached string to it to hang under a faucet on low flow. Worked well. But don't forget the plastic tube and funnel. They are essential. SEDA the North American dealers for Nautiraid sold us the seats. Not cheap but well worth it. Rich Mitchell Corvallis, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
<- Original Text -> i bought my first [and hopefully only ;-] recumbent this spring. it's interesting... hard to ride up some of the steeper hills, since you can't just stand up!! mark Sounds like you need to change your gearing ratios so you can spin up those 0hills and save your knees. Which recument do you have? BTW, how many folks on this list also own recumbents (bents) as opposed to standard bikes (wedgies)? How many who own recumbents also own folding kayaks? Regards, ---Leander (who will try out a new recumbent on Saturday, owns a folder, and is curious as to how many of us are seriously comfort-driven in our perennial toy-quest). ;-} leander_at_worldnet.att.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Leander, I am seriously comfort and performance driven. 2 foldable sailing kayaks, several hardshell sailing kayaks, + 1 Tour Easy EX recumbent and 1 full suspension Moulton AM-7 road bike. All comfortable and fast cruisers. Mark leander_at_worldnet.att.net wrote: > > <- Original Text -> > i bought my first [and hopefully only ;-] recumbent this spring. it's interesting... hard to ride up some of the steeper hills, since you can't just stand up!! > mark > > Sounds like you need to change your gearing ratios so you can spin up those 0hills and save your knees. Which recument do you have? > BTW, how many folks on this list also own recumbents (bents) as opposed to standard bikes (wedgies)? > How many who own recumbents also own folding kayaks? > Regards, > ---Leander (who will try out a new recumbent on Saturday, owns a folder, and is curious as to how many of us are seriously comfort-driven in our perennial toy-quest). ;-} > leander_at_worldnet.att.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Mark Balogh <batwing_at_kerrlake.com> wrote: > > Leander, > > I am seriously comfort and performance driven. 2 foldable sailing > kayaks, several hardshell sailing kayaks, + 1 Tour Easy EX recumbent and > 1 full suspension Moulton AM-7 road bike. All comfortable and fast > cruisers. > > Mark Folk, In case you don't know, that is Mark Balogh of Balogh Sail Designs (BSD). If you have any questions regarding sailing a canoe or kayak, he is the guy to direct them to. He started building windsurfer sails in Florida some 20 years ago and moved into canoe and then kayak sailing in North Carolina and now Virginia. His knowledge of sailing is astonishingly profound on all aspects of it from traditional to experimental. The BSD sails he makes are arguably the best around for sailing a kayak. And his BOSS (Balogh Outrigger Stablization System) has helped many sailing kayakers go out in winds that would topple anything else. These items may seem costly but the last thing you want is cheap if out in heavy winds and their workmanship is superb. Modesty prevents him from giving himself this unabashed plug but I can since I have no financial interest in his enterprise; but, by way of full disclosure, we are long-time friends even though I'd rather paddle than hoist sail on a kayak any day. When I go to his annual Sailing Get-Together in North Carolina, my wife is the designated kayak sailor to keep him and his SO off my back. :-) ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Sorry; There's no such thing as spinning a recumbent up a hill. You'll just burn out your legs. Instead, find an easy comfortable rythm while climbing and then catch your friends on the level. John Winskill (ridden recumbent - Counterpoint Presto - since 1991) ----- Original Message ----- From: <leander_at_worldnet.att.net> To: Mark Zen <canoeist_at_netbox.com> Cc: <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net> Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 7:03 AM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] offtopic -recumbents > <- Original Text -> > i bought my first [and hopefully only ;-] recumbent this spring. it's interesting... hard to ride up some of the steeper hills, since you can't just stand up!! > mark > > > Sounds like you need to change your gearing ratios so you can spin up those 0hills and save your knees. Which recument do you have? > BTW, how many folks on this list also own recumbents (bents) as opposed to standard bikes (wedgies)? > How many who own recumbents also own folding kayaks? > Regards, > ---Leander (who will try out a new recumbent on Saturday, owns a folder, and is curious as to how many of us are seriously comfort-driven in our perennial toy-quest). ;-} > leander_at_worldnet.att.com > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not > to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: johncw <johncw_at_narrows.com> To: <leander_at_worldnet.att.net> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] offtopic -recumbents > Sorry; > There's no such thing as spinning a recumbent up a hill. You'll just burn > out your legs. Instead, find an easy comfortable rythm while climbing and > then catch your friends on the level. > John Winskill (ridden recumbent - Counterpoint Presto - since 1991) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <leander_at_worldnet.att.net> > To: Mark Zen <canoeist_at_netbox.com> > Cc: <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net> > Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 7:03 AM > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] offtopic -recumbents > > > > <- Original Text -> > > i bought my first [and hopefully only ;-] recumbent this spring. it's > interesting... hard to ride up some of the steeper hills, since you can't > just stand up!! > > mark > > > > > > Sounds like you need to change your gearing ratios so you can spin up > those 0hills and save your knees. Which recument do you have? > > BTW, how many folks on this list also own recumbents (bents) as opposed > to standard bikes (wedgies)? > > How many who own recumbents also own folding kayaks? > > Regards, > > ---Leander (who will try out a new recumbent on Saturday, owns a folder, > and is curious as to how many of us are seriously comfort-driven in our > perennial toy-quest). ;-} > > leander_at_worldnet.att.com > > > > > *************************************************************************** > > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and > not > > to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission > > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > > > *************************************************************************** > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
F > Sorry; > There's no such thing as spinning a recumbent up a hill. You'll just burn > out your legs. Instead, find an easy comfortable rythm while climbing and > then catch your friends on the level. > John Winskill (ridden recumbent - Counterpoint Presto - since 1991) I do definitely not agree. Since 1990 I have ridden fully packed (heavy) recumbents all over Europe, and in my experience if you do have a large range of gears climbing is not different from conventional bikes. On an upright you can stand on the pedals, but only for a few hendres meters, not for miles on end. Also on uprights the better climbers just sit and spin. However, your legs have to adjust to the different position, so it will take you about a year to adjust fully. Greetings, Merijn ****************************** Merijn Wijnen Vinkenhofje 8 5613 CN Eindhoven The Netherlands Tel.: 040-2939991 (job: 040-2650539) Fax: same as tel., call before sending or try twice E-mail: Home: merijn_at_music.demon.nl Job: m.wijnen_at_ind.tno.nl Web-site: http:\\www.music.demon.nl *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Merijin; On a conventional bike the rider has the advantage of being able to sit, stand, sit up, lean forward, shift forward or back etc. All of this brings different muscle groups more or less to bear and speads out the effort. Recumbent riders keep using the same muscles all the time. There is no relief. Also, if you "spin" on a recumbent you are, in eccense, doing leg lifts. Unlike a conventional bike where you're exerting circumferential effort on a recumbent you just can't do it continually. You're not only lifting the peddle/crank but you're also lifting your whole leg against gravity. To spin while climbing is incredibly inefficient. It is necessary though, as you said, to have a large range of gears. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Merijn Wijnen <merijn_at_music.demon.nl> To: johncw <johncw_at_narrows.com>; <PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net> Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] offtopic -recumbents > F > > Sorry; > > There's no such thing as spinning a recumbent up a hill. You'll just burn > > out your legs. Instead, find an easy comfortable rythm while climbing and > > then catch your friends on the level. > > John Winskill (ridden recumbent - Counterpoint Presto - since 1991) > > I do definitely not agree. Since 1990 I have ridden fully packed > (heavy) recumbents all over Europe, and in my experience if you > do have a large range of gears climbing is not different from > conventional bikes. On an upright you can stand on the pedals, but > only for a few hendres meters, not for miles on end. Also on > uprights the better climbers just sit and spin. However, your legs > have to adjust to the different position, so it will take you about a > year to adjust fully. > > Greetings, > Merijn > > ****************************** > Merijn Wijnen > Vinkenhofje 8 > 5613 CN Eindhoven > The Netherlands > Tel.: 040-2939991 (job: 040-2650539) > Fax: same as tel., call before sending or try twice > E-mail: Home: merijn_at_music.demon.nl > Job: m.wijnen_at_ind.tno.nl > Web-site: http:\\www.music.demon.nl *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> From: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com > Mark Balogh <batwing_at_kerrlake.com> wrote: > > > > Leander, > > > > I am seriously comfort and performance driven. 2 foldable sailing > > kayaks, several hardshell sailing kayaks, + 1 Tour Easy EX recumbent and > > 1 full suspension Moulton AM-7 road bike. All comfortable and fast > > cruisers. > > > > Mark > > Folk, > > In case you don't know, that is Mark Balogh of Balogh Sail Designs > (BSD). If you have any questions regarding sailing a canoe or kayak, he > is the guy to direct them to. Thanks, Ralph, for pointing that out. Glad to see you back here, Mark! We have missed your valuable input on kayak sailing. Cheers, Jackie *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Thanks Ralph, Jackie for your nice reception. Anybody on the list tried sailing with a Wipika kite yet? Mark Jackie Fenton wrote: > > > From: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com > > > Mark Balogh <batwing_at_kerrlake.com> wrote: > > > > > > Leander, > > > > > > I am seriously comfort and performance driven. 2 foldable sailing > > > kayaks, several hardshell sailing kayaks, + 1 Tour Easy EX recumbent and > > > 1 full suspension Moulton AM-7 road bike. All comfortable and fast > > > cruisers. > > > > > > Mark > > > > Folk, > > > > In case you don't know, that is Mark Balogh of Balogh Sail Designs > > (BSD). If you have any questions regarding sailing a canoe or kayak, he > > is the guy to direct them to. > > Thanks, Ralph, for pointing that out. > > Glad to see you back here, Mark! We have missed your valuable input > on kayak sailing. > > Cheers, > > Jackie > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not > to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
<- Original Text -> i bought my first [and hopefully only ;-] recumbent this spring. it's interesting... hard to ride up some of the steeper hills, since you can't just stand up!! mark Sounds like you need to change your gearing ratios so you can spin up those 0hills and save your knees. Which recument do you have? BTW, how many folks on this list also own recumbents (bents) as opposed to standard bikes (wedgies)? How many who own recumbents also own folding kayaks? Regards, ---Leander (who will try out a new recumbent on Saturday, owns a folder, and is curious as to how many of us are seriously comfort-driven in our perennial toy-quest). ;-} leander_at_worldnet.att.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Merijn Wijnen wrote: > > Sorry; > > There's no such thing as spinning a recumbent up a hill. You'll just burn > > out your legs. Instead, find an easy comfortable rythm while climbing and > > then catch your friends on the level. > > John Winskill (ridden recumbent - Counterpoint Presto - since 1991) > > I do definitely not agree. Since 1990 I have ridden fully packed > (heavy) recumbents all over Europe, and in my experience if you > do have a large range of gears climbing is not different from > conventional bikes. On an upright you can stand on the pedals, but > only for a few hendres meters, not for miles on end. Also on > uprights the better climbers just sit and spin. However, your legs > have to adjust to the different position, so it will take you about a > year to adjust fully. > > Greetings, > Merijn thanks to all who responded... i do have to disagree with Merijn, as not all recumbents do not allow standing up in the first place... it would be physically impossible to stand up on the pedals of mine... well you could, but you'd be infront of the hadlebars!! i also do know about spinning, as i have ridden around the eastern USA and parts of canada [yes around - see http://www.diac.com/~zen/mark/bicycle for more details] but i haven't gotten the knack for it on the 'bent yet... mark -- #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com----http://www.diac.com/~zen/mark ---- # mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [_| [_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.jacknjillz.com/paddler [index to club websites i administer] Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club, Colorado River Flows, Poudre Paddlers The Colorado Paddlers' Resource, Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page -- Fortune: A smooth sea never made a skillful mariner. - English Proverb *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
i missed this, as i was out sick all last week... At 07:03 11/5/99 -0800, leander_at_worldnet.att.net wrote: > ><- Original Text -> > i bought my first [and hopefully only ;-] recumbent this spring. it's > interesting... hard to ride up some of the steeper hills, since you can't > just stand up!! >mark > > >Sounds like you need to change your gearing ratios so you can spin up those >0hills and save your knees. Which recument do you have? the bikeE AT [ http://www.bikee.com -- no affiliation, etc] i haven't ridden in a long time, shattered a leg in a skiing accident, and my rheumatiod arthritis came back out of remission [ http://www.duq.edu/PT/RA/RA.html ] so i am trying to use non-impact sports [bike, kayak] for physical therapy. > BTW, how many folks on this list also own recumbents (bents) as opposed to > standard bikes (wedgies)? less than 100 miles on mine. 8-( > How many who own recumbents also own folding kayaks? it would be nice!! luckily i have access to everything but the ocean for paddling here in colorado. many rivers run year around. paddle year round. > Regards, >---Leander (who will try out a new recumbent on Saturday, owns a folder, and >is curious as to how many of us are seriously comfort-driven in our perennial >toy-quest). ;-} >leander_at_worldnet.att.com comfort is the name of the game as we get oldder... the longer i can remain comfortable, the longer i can pursue my hobbies... mark -- #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com-------------------------------------- mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.jacknjillz.com/paddler [index of Paddling websites I manage] Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club, Colorado River Flows, Poudre Paddlers The Colorado Paddlers' Resource, Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page -- Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. --Pablo Picasso *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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